Long term cycles, safety and success

[Friend]

I'm aware long term cycles (cruise and blasts) are rarely discussed on the open board, so feel free to reply in PMs.

How in the hell do people do it?

I have been discussing it in depth with my two doctors. Their first and main priority is my health and well being, although they have both said they are 100% supportive and behind me if this is the path i choose. But despite offering their support they continually advise me that it is extremely dangerous and i'm putting myself at great risk.

If this is the advice i have been given from 2 separate health professionals, both reasonably young and members of ACNEM (Australian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine) which is renown for it's work with 'cutting edge' hormone research and therapy - then how do others (let's say the pros) go ahead with constantly being on anabolics/gh/insulin/ai's/ancillary meds? These guys must have been told the same thing aswell.

How do they maintain there health, and wellbeing of their bodies while running these compounds? Does anybody at all, have any insight to how it is done? (Note* I'm not looking to be hand fed on a 'how to' cruise and blast)

I'm just trying to get my head around it. How do peoples bodies cope with the prolonged abuse? I refuse to believe genetics play a part. There is nothing genetic about what is taking place in these peoples bodies.

Friend

(Flamers fvck off)

[stevey_6t9]

people who crusie and blast with high dosages for years upon end are not healthy.

then they then all say but my bloodwork is fine etc etc, until they get an angiogram on their coronary arteries and they see the damage there.

[NMacFar]

I'm curious as well.

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[AlphaGenetics]

I think the key is to do more cruizing then blasting. While cruizing you can maintain muscle mass fairly easy without much effort. Ive been cruizing for about 4 weeks and I dont eat breakfast and a small lunch, while working hard all day and I havent lost any strength, just have got cut up like a mofo. Im happy cruizing and staying where Im at right now. I dont need to be like Mr. America. All my goals are met and Im getting laid more than I can handle. Cruizing is where its at for me. Im almost 40 so I plan on being on trt for the rest of my life.

[slimshady01]

Kid I got my gear from told me he has been on juice for 10 years straight with no breaks or pct.

[anabolix112]

Kid I got my gear from told me he has been on juice for 10 years straight with no breaks or pct.

Well thats one choise some ppl make. PCT might take ages after that and require lots of patience from yourself and ppl close to you and situation in life when it would be possible to go thru + reason good enough. Blood work is good to do now and then and stay healthy. Theres other habits that cause propably more damage but i wont encourage anyone to do that.

[JBarron]

Kid I got my gear from told me he has been on juice for 10 years straight with no breaks or pct.

sounds expensive for a kid lol

[dec11]

I think the key is to do more cruizing then blasting. While cruizing you can maintain muscle mass fairly easy without much effort. Ive been cruizing for about 4 weeks and I dont eat breakfast and a small lunch, while working hard all day and I havent lost any strength, just have got cut up like a mofo. Im happy cruizing and staying where Im at right now. I dont need to be like Mr. America. All my goals are met and Im getting laid more than I can handle. Cruizing is where its at for me. Im almost 40 so I plan on being on trt for the rest of my life.

exactly. i plan a few more blasts until the end of the year, on top of my trt dosage, and then its hgh and trt all the way, im 35 and dont plan on ruling the world

[slimshady01]

sounds expensive for a kid lol

In his 30s now but I think he makes his own gear.

[gymfu]

I think more people are doing this then we realize. When you come off your cycle your body says oh we don't need all this muscle now and starts to brealk it down quickly. I know there are things we can do to minimize this but if you just don't stop then you just keep growing, or at least never go backwards. It's tempting I'll admit, but just not healthy. I don't see how you can live a long life doing this in your youth. Cycling is the only reasonable way to use AAS. Unless your a pro.

[dec11]

I think more people are doing this then we realize. When you come off your cycle your body says oh we don't need all this muscle now and starts to brealk it down quickly. I know there are things we can do to minimize this but if you just don't stop then you just keep growing, or at least never go backwards. It's tempting I'll admit, but just not healthy. I don't see how you can live a long life doing this in your youth. Cycling is the only reasonable way to use AAS. Unless your a pro.

yeah, but dont confuse trt with this

[ScotchGuard]

Is there are consensus that long term cruise/blast is not healthy?

[back2fit85]

BUMP, also very curiouse about this as well, any vets with exp in this?

[Vitruvian-Man]

I ran a 9 month long cycle that started last year.. and concluded around March/April of this year.

Recovery was very difficult.

Sex drive decreased profusely;
ED symptoms occurred during PCT and for 1 - 2 weeks after its discontinuation;
Significant drop in weight and muscle mass;
No motivation or desire to work out.

A lot of these symptoms ^^ I attribute to the rapid decline of hormones. ED was an easy fix. Vigra. The motivation was the hardest to conquer. Trust me, NO-explode or whatever pre-workout stim you're using won't help much in getting you to the gym.

All in all, I wouldn't stay on that long again. PCT took 6 - 7 weeks. Needed HCG therapy at the beginning for 2 - 3 weeks @ ~500iu/ed

Nowadays I would rather stick to short bursts of 5 weeks and then recover for 6 and back on...

-VM

[Sc0rch]

Yeah, I just don't get gains past the 6-8 week mark. Tried upping the dose and extending the cycle to 16-18 weeks. Never worked.

Trying to just run 10 week cycles or maybe even 8, but it's tough coming off so I usually go to 12.

[Friend]

Bump for more opinions, experiences, answers.

[sprinter911]

No experience with this but it doesn't seem safe IMO. It goes against alot of what you read in the educational threads here. I'm curious to here more though. This would be quite expensive indeed....

[ricky23]

every pro blasts and cruise i think, no doubt it will effect health its inevitable and i think once you blast and cruise for extended periods of time its almost a lifetime commitment. i think anyone who is serious about bodybuilding will need to do this but not before years of experience in cycling is built. thats what i wanna work up to. i think the sts is perfect for this with 8 weeks roeloadin and 2 weeks deloading and repeat. it makes perfect sense.

[powerlifter18]

ive been on since 16 my dose is 500 mg per week sometimes i run up to 1 gram or more depending on what my source can get. i feel fine now. ive never tried to come off im 21 now just cant change my name on here. ive also run hgh at 10 i.u per day 5 days on 2 off and tren a 200 mg eod i just stick on test and g.h and cycle everything else in and out.

[the big 1]

ive been on since 16 my dose is 500 mg per week sometimes i run up to 1 gram or more depending on what my source can get. i feel fine now. ive never tried to come off im 21 now just cant change my name on here. ive also run hgh at 10 i.u per day 5 days on 2 off and tren a 200 mg eod i just stick on test and g.h and cycle everything else in and out.

i dont mean to be rude or offensive because its your body and your choice, but why would you feel the need to cycle at the tender age of 16 when you have optimimum hormones for growth naturally ??? your only 21 yrs old and youve been on steroids for over 5 years, do you not have any concerns about your health and future ???

[powerlifter18]

i just decided to do it and never looked back. im sure i will have some problems in the future but i will deal with them as the come

[ricky23]

do you mind me asking what your stats are? cos im 21 aswell and just curious

[the big 1]

i just decided to do it and never looked back. im sure i will have some problems in the future but i will deal with them as the come

well good luck, im sure others who have cycled much later on in life will still have the same issues that arise with you...

at 16, i didnt even know what steroids were !!!

[powerlifter18]

5 foot 5 inches tall and 235 pounds 10 percent bodyfat

[gymnerd]

Its more common than people think and alot of the health issues depend on how healthy they live their life's. Look at people who dont exercise at all eat mcdonnalds 3x wk drink and smoke cigarettes. That is far worst than cruising on some test by far. I know on guy who is almost 60 still squats 500 lbs is as healthy as anyone I know hes been juicing for 20 yrs and his cruise is more than 200mg a wk always.

It may not be the best idea but people on boards really blow shit out of proportion sometimes, I still think that 90% on this board shouldn't be juicing if you dont compete you dont need juice plain and simple thats just my .002 though and people do what they want.

Most guys I know that juice started because of some sport they were playing or BB or PL and stayed on and now really cant come off, its just a choice people make in life if its that important to you go for it and be prepared for whatever risks come with it.

[powerlifter18]

Its more common than people think and alot of the health issues depend on how healthy they live their life's. Look at people who dont exercise at all eat mcdonnalds 3x wk drink and smoke cigarettes. That is far worst than cruising on some test by far. I know on guy who is almost 60 still squats 500 lbs is as healthy as anyone I know hes been juicing for 20 yrs and his cruise is more than 200mg a wk always.

It may not be the best idea but people on boards really blow shit out of proportion sometimes, I still think that 90% on this board shouldn't be juicing if you dont compete you dont need juice plain and simple thats just my .002 though and people do what they want.

Most guys I know that juice started because of some sport they were playing or BB or PL and stayed on and now really cant come off, its just a choice people make in life if its that important to you go for it and be prepared for whatever risks come with it.

i agree 100% i compete in powerlifting and wana try bodybuilding and i know if i wana push big weight and also one day step on stage in the npc for bodybuilding i gota juice once i get to 250 i plan on doing bodybuilding

[ricky23]

Its more common than people think and alot of the health issues depend on how healthy they live their life's. Look at people who dont exercise at all eat mcdonnalds 3x wk drink and smoke cigarettes. That is far worst than cruising on some test by far. I know on guy who is almost 60 still squats 500 lbs is as healthy as anyone I know hes been juicing for 20 yrs and his cruise is more than 200mg a wk always.

It may not be the best idea but people on boards really blow shit out of proportion sometimes, I still think that 90% on this board shouldn't be juicing if you dont compete you dont need juice plain and simple thats just my .002 though and people do what they want.

Most guys I know that juice started because of some sport they were playing or BB or PL and stayed on and now really cant come off, its just a choice people make in life if its that important to you go for it and be prepared for whatever risks come with it.

youve just said everything im thinking! ive read some threads where people said thery're juicing just to shed abit of bf for a holiday on the beach! or people who have only started training for a few years and dont know anything about the bodybuilders who work their ass off to get where they wanna go.
trainng is for life not just a phase and aas should be taken if youre serious about bb in my opinion.
great post gymnerd!