need advice

[MACHINE5150]

I am not a pro but i think you will do fine.. make sure that you have a proper Post Cycle Therapy plan set up so you can keep your gains.. read into Nolvadex Clomid and HCG... At the very least do Clomid.. but preferably Clomid and HCG.. I kept 90% of my first cycle.. i would say you probably will balloon up to 195 and then settle back down to around 190 plus or minus 3 or 4 pound on both estimates.. Your first cycle will always give you your best results/dosage ratio. Just make sure you eat well and stay hydrated.. keep us up to date on how it works out for you.

[HawaiianPride.]

I am not a pro but i think you will do fine.. make sure that you have a proper Post Cycle Therapy plan set up so you can keep your gains.. read into Nolvadex Clomid and HCG... At the very least do Clomid.. but preferably Clomid and HCG.. I kept 90% of my first cycle.. i would say you probably will balloon up to 195 and then settle back down to around 190 plus or minus 3 or 4 pound on both estimates.. Your first cycle will always give you your best results/dosage ratio. Just make sure you eat well and stay hydrated.. keep us up to date on how it works out for you.

Just thought I'd share with you that although some of your advice is half decent at best, most of it isn't great advice.

Don't let this discourage you from posting, but I suggest you hit up a ton of research in regards to AAS. I would suggest buying books. Especially William Llewellyn's recent updated versions. You may think you know, until you read some of his shit. A wealth load of information beyond what you can imagine bro. That's where I started.

[MACHINE5150]

Just thought I'd share with you that although some of your advice is half decent at best, most of it isn't great advice.

Don't let this discourage you from posting, but I suggest you hit up a ton of research in regards to AAS. I would suggest buying books. Especially William Llewellyn's recent updated versions. You may think you know, until you read some of his shit. A wealth load of information beyond what you can imagine bro. That's where I started.

I'll take you up on that, and appreciate the constructive criticism. The truth is I speak mainly out of what i used to know seven years ago when i used to sell juice for a couple years in college and was in great shape (5'10" , 230lbs, 9% bf 21y.o.) and go off what i saw with roughly 20-25 different friends/people that did a combination of different cycles over the years.. I personaly only have done one and a half cycles.. So some of my info is rather outdated. Saying you can gain 20lbs and keep most of it on that cycle is completley within reason if done properly.. so which advice in particular are you refering to?

However, i do feel that certain things are bendable with in a small degree.. All i mean by that is certain things are not black and white since everyone is a bit different. i.e. people in here that say don't do a bulking cycle until your body fat is 15% or lower.. or certain other little things. I know that all the advice given here by the vets is the RIGHT advice, but not everyone in here is trying to be 265lbs 9% bodyfat.. I would imagine a majority of these guys asking these questions want to be in shape but are not trying to be profesional body builders.

I would also hope that people here would have enough sense to notice my measly 60 posts and the fact i joined last month into consideration when weighing opinions.

[Rizdizzle]

I would also hope that people here would have enough sense to notice my measly 60 posts and the fact i joined last month into consideration when weighing opinions.

Not everyone is intelligent enough to put all of these things together. Im sure alot of people dont even look at join dates or post counts.
Someone with 10 posts could have a vast wealth of knowledge but chooses to stay silent and watch.
I bet most of the people here looking for information will never be back and only want quick easy answers to an easy fix (aka AAS)

Never assume people have common sense as most dont lol

[HawaiianPride.]

I'll take you up on that, and appreciate the constructive criticism. The truth is I speak mainly out of what i used to know seven years ago when i used to sell juice for a couple years in college and was in great shape (5'10" , 230lbs, 9% bf 21y.o.) and go off what i saw with roughly 20-25 different friends/people that did a combination of different cycles over the years.. I personaly only have done one and a half cycles.. So some of my info is rather outdated. Saying you can gain 20lbs and keep most of it on that cycle is completley within reason if done properly.. so which advice in particular are you refering to?

However, i do feel that certain things are bendable with in a small degree.. All i mean by that is certain things are not black and white since everyone is a bit different. i.e. people in here that say don't do a bulking cycle until your body fat is 15% or lower.. or certain other little things. I know that all the advice given here by the vets is the RIGHT advice, but not everyone in here is trying to be 265lbs 9% bodyfat.. I would imagine a majority of these guys asking these questions want to be in shape but are not trying to be profesional body builders.

I would also hope that people here would have enough sense to notice my measly 60 posts and the fact i joined last month into consideration when weighing opinions.

1st bold: Perfect reason why you should check out those books. Many updated articles in there that should steer you in the right direction

2nd bold: If you gain 20-25lbs off 1 cycle, then that's not a good sign. Simply because, if you truly met your natural genetic potential, the best gains you'll make off a cycle would be 8-12lbs at most.

3rd bold: The Clomid + HCG PCT advise. Understand how HCG works, and you'll better understand why it's meant for PRE-PCT and not during.

4th bold: I personally believe Steroid use (excluding HRT/TRT) should be used by people who want to get massive. Plain and simple. I'm personally sick and tired of hearing people saying "I heard deca is great for joints, so what and how should I run it" or "EQ is great for appetite, and I suck ass at eating, how should I run it" ect ect. If people's goals were to get in shape. Diet, training, sleep, supplements (in that order) will get them their goals. Not to mention their gains will be more maintainable this way.

[MACHINE5150]

I agree with everything you said except the first cycle gains part.. 20lbs probably is too much especialy on his body frame (i played rugby in college so everyone i knew was 6 plus foot tall) so 20lbs is not alot on a 210-225lb person for first time gains

What i should have stated was about 8-10% increase.. I ordered the book..

Last book i owned was Anabolics 2000.. sooo, yeah about a decade behind.. thanks for the advice..

BTW what island do you live on? My dad lives in Honolulu

[MACHINE5150]

3rd bold: The Clomid + HCG PCT advise. Understand how HCG works, and you'll better understand why it's meant for PRE-PCT and not during.

just wanted to clarify something, as i read up on HCG this morning and found the following quotes:

"An average dose of HCG during a cycle is between 500 to 1000iu every week to every other week while on a cycle. In one study I reviewed, a single injection of 6000IU of HCG elevated Test levels for 6 days. That's why a lot of people recommend taking it every 3-5 days." <-- your point

"As regards HCG's use of post cycle therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should vary little from person to person." <-- my point

- AnabolicResearchBook2

Now, i know that ideally you would be taking it through your whole cycle, but then you are doing another shot every 3-5 days (my memory is a bit fuzzy but aren't you supposed to shoot HCG subcontaneous so you can't just put it in with other steroids).. but even more than that:

"the cycles of HCG should be in the 2 to 3 week range with a least one month off in between, you could stretch your cycle out to four weeks without
any major concern if you are using lower doses. One should, however, take care when using HCG as prolonged use could repress the body’s natural production of gonadotropins permanently"

That was why I was always told not to bother with it until the end of your cycle.. to kind of "Kick Start" your PCT and get your balls back to size. Then or meanwhile follow through with some clomid..

Correct me if im missing something, but i want to clarify this before if new information has come to light since the publishing of this book in 2005 as I intend to incorporate HCG into my PCT and want to have it squared away beforehand