Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids: worse for the heart than we knew?

[TKO Performance]

Thanks for proving my points. A sample size of only 26 people, and half of the steroid users had prior history of Edited or other drugs use. Those are the important points. As I suspected conclusions were reached with no discussion of how these other variables were controlled.

Also, though these people may not themselves had had a history of high blood pressure, ect. what about family history? Research has shown that genetics do not guarantee a certain condition, but they do predispose people to them. Engaging in other risk factors is what can push them over the brink into the condition. Edited use is notorious for causing heart problem. I know people personally who have experienced the lasting after effects.

Research like this needs to be done, but it needs to be controlled. I'd like to see a study that tracks at least 100 people (half users, half not), all serious weight trainers, and without genetic predisposition to heart conditions. Age could vary, but all should be in perfect health. All users should take the same steroids and dose, and steroids should be taken with liver support and proper PCT. The study should track these people for at least 10 years, and preferably for the rest of their lives. Diet would need to be strictly controlled. Drug testing would be needed to ensure no other compounds were being taken. Alcohol and tobacco use would have to be monitored and limited as well. That's a proper study, with results that I could get behind. No such study exists. The medical establishment would never allow it for a variety of reasons. However, until such research is conducted we will never know the truth about the long term side effects of taking steroids, period.

[MrGreen]

Thanks for proving my points. A sample size of only 26 people, and half of the steroid users had prior history of cocaine or other drugs use. Those are the important points. As I suspected conclusions were reached with no discussion of how these other variables were controlled.

Thats my point and as usual your johnny on the spot!

You cant mix them for sure!! AAS and the other white powder! That would be making your heart constant pump as if you are working out for hours on end while on gear?? Anyone can see this is not a fair comparison between the 2 groups. Hell the "non-AAS" users claimed to never had done any drugs period! Makes me wonder if they pulled out AAS members who are not concerned about their bodies and lives for this study. What healthy AAS user who is full of pride, compassionate, and on a quest to be the best they can be is going to stay "f*$#ed" all the time and party like that?

This study isnt exactly valid comparing grapes to watermelon here. IMO If you wanna talk apples then get enough apples for 2 groups. Dont get one group of oranges paint them red and call them apples.


DOnt get me wrong plenty of great info in there but the study was conducted with so many variables in place you cant help but question it as even the doctors cant go by this.

[TKO Performance]

Yes, and because of the current laws legitimate studies are not being done, as it presents the possibility to fly in the face of the medical establishment since it is linked to the political establishment. These "studies" are simply compiled anecdotal evidence, most of which cannot be verified, and some post-facto scientific testing.

The only way that these issues are ever going to be answered definitively is if proper experiments are designed and carried out with willing test subjects. This is the only way that proper controls can be implemented. Without proper controls any results are worthless.