Why are YOU still using clomid?

[Atomini]

I don't use clomid and never have. I never reccomend it either. Nolvadex is far better.

But you DO realize that toremifene is so new on the scene that not all of its effects and attributes have been discovered yet? And it could very well turn out that toremifene has far worse effects than nolvadex or clomid? I don't believe it does, but I am just throwing this out there.

Too many times some new compound is discovered or something, and what ends up happening is everyone claims it is far less damaging/toxic than whatever is currently being used. You don't know that. Nolvadex has been tried, tested, and true. And has almost 30 or 40 years of use and testing behind it to back its effectiveness. Toremifene does not have this.

As far as we are concerned in any case with nolvadex, we know it has carcinogenic effects and it has been documented in studies on breast cancer patients. But you have to pay attention to detail here. In all of the studies mentioned, these women were on nolvadex for months and years. The average AAS user is NOT going to be using nolva or clomid for years, but only for an extremely tiny 4 week PCT period. That's a piss in the ocean compared to the context of medical use of clomid and/or nolvadex. Doses may be different as well.

Once again, the difference between use and abuse, and one must also pay attention to the CONTEXT in which these things are used in their different settings before jumping to conclusions.

[Vullfromsc]

I don't use clomid and never have. I never reccomend it either. Nolvadex is far better.

But you DO realize that toremifene is so new on the scene that not all of its effects and attributes have been discovered yet? And it could very well turn out that toremifene has far worse effects than nolvadex or clomid? I don't believe it does, but I am just throwing this out there.

Too many times some new compound is discovered or something, and what ends up happening is everyone claims it is far less damaging/toxic than whatever is currently being used. You don't know that. Nolvadex has been tried, tested, and true. And has almost 30 or 40 years of use and testing behind it to back its effectiveness. Toremifene does not have this.

As far as we are concerned in any case with nolvadex, we know it has carcinogenic effects and it has been documented in studies on breast cancer patients. But you have to pay attention to detail here. In all of the studies mentioned, these women were on nolvadex for months and years. The average AAS user is NOT going to be using nolva or clomid for years, but only for an extremely tiny 4 week PCT period. That's a piss in the ocean compared to the context of medical use of clomid and/or nolvadex. Doses may be different as well.

Once again, the difference between use and abuse, and one must also pay attention to the CONTEXT in which these things are used in their different settings before jumping to conclusions.

good points, and i like that picture haha..

torem is fda approved for the same thing as clomid and nolva are though

these drugs had to go through so much testing for their actual clinical uses, and i understand that. likewise for their PCT uses.. but shouldn't we be more willing to test out these drugs?

the FEW things i have read about this and the even FEWER personal experiences i have read are all very positive

[e.nergie]

good points, and i like that picture haha..

torem is fda approved for the same thing as clomid and nolva are though

these drugs had to go through so much testing for their actual clinical uses, and i understand that. likewise for their PCT uses.. but shouldn't we be more willing to test out these drugs?

the FEW things i have read about this and the even FEWER personal experiences i have read are all very positive

At the same time though, there are many products that have proven uses but the respective companies/etc who developed the product dont have the funds to get FDA approval aka seaspure

[Neevor]

torem is fda approved for the same thing as clomid and nolva are though

these drugs had to go through so much testing for their actual clinical uses, and i understand that. likewise for their PCT uses..

Oh yeah, cause the stuff approved by the FDA is always safe. Like an approval stamp from God really. Hey hold on one sec, I gotta light my cig..