Slin & IGF

[LBSOMEIRON]

New to this board, new to Slin adn IGF, not new to the game.

32 years old. been competing since I was 20 (off and on the last 5 years)

6'1, 210 and 7% right now (just did a tiny shoot)

My question is - I've come this far and never used slin nor IGF and decided I want to take the plunge. I'm on 4-5ius of HGH edit , bridging between cycles.

Reason no slin, to be honest, I'm scared...I'm a true ***** when it comes to reading the facts of slin and yes I've done my homework (for many years).

SO, long story short - this is what I'm thinking in a few weeks -

1g of test
600mg of EQ
5iu HGH
50iu of IGF (bi-lateral, 25 each)
6iu of slin.

Question - I train on an empty stomach every morning. It's worked well. I sip xtend or take some BCAAs and I've been ok.

If I take 6iu of slin, I believe I need about 50g of carbs and 50g of protein imediately after. Carbs in the form of quick carbs. Will waxy maize work as I'm not a fan of sugary pop or dextrose (but wil lbecome one if recomended).

THEN, I need a meal of the same ratio within 1 hour (oats and egg whites, no fats) and every 3 hours after that.

I won't have an issue going to sleep as after I train, I go right to work.

You expertese is well appreciated.

Goal is to get back to 225-230 on a decent 5,000kcals a day (high pro, mod, carbs, mod fat)

[39+1]

I don't know what help i can be. Ive ran it over the last 4 years and ive taught some a lot of other guy how to use it. But my info is limited So if someone doesn't like what i write then just explain with out attacking me. "We" started doing this in the 80s and i was also afraid, and the fear was justified the info wasn't available. because of confidentiality I hate to refer to individuals on this site but the modulator on this one was great. Hes still here.
Anyways being afraid is okay, it will kill you, IF YOUR STUPID about it. try and use the shortest acting slin compound for me that is lispro. there might be one faster but i dont know of it.
Don't use it while dieting. ( though I have been using it to put me in Ketosis)
Try a little bit at a time your gonna blast 6 units PW first time? try 3 and see your you react and get a feel for it. All this shit about how much sugar and protein and the other bullshit you need to take after administration of the drug is great. Right up until its not the right amount for YOU and you start sweating, eyesight is screwing up, a little confusion creeps. Yeah thats right you **** around with the PWO generic eating recipes and you might be good to go and you might not. But it is a quick fix. Be smart keep some gummy worms in you pocket or cans of coke n car just in case. Remember you mind might have read how to do this but your body is it own chemical factory that has its own agenda. People get hurt becuase they dont give there body the sugar they told it it needs.
So just try a little hell try 2 units the first few time.
Ive had my best results using a couple of units at each meal. Thats over > 12 units a day and the daily count is what is important. With no sides or worries.
Im gonna be honest here if you doing 6 units first go thru at some time you body is gona demand more than the prescribed amount of sugar PWO and you should keep ancillaries on hand like a coke or gummy bears. I can already hear yeah but orange juice is better. Yeah it is BUT Coke and licorice are non perishable in you pocket, the car, gym bag work desk and locker.

[LBSOMEIRON]

So in my research, I stumbled across the protocol where you take a week's worth of hgh, slin and igf 3 x a week....I need to find it agaiin.

It was something like m,w,f 10iu of hgh, 6-7iu of slin and then only 30mcg spaced out over 20 minutes. Then you take another 15iu of igf and 6iu of slin 2 more times during the day all with mod. high glym meals...training days of back, legs and chest/delts.

[39+1]

So in my research, I stumbled across the protocol where you take a week's worth of hgh, slin and igf 3 x a week....I need to find it agaiin.

It was something like m,w,f 10iu of hgh, 6-7iu of slin and then only 30mcg spaced out over 20 minutes. Then you take another 15iu of igf and 6iu of slin 2 more times during the day all with mod. high glym meals...training days of back, legs and chest/delts.

I havent got that creative before and have no input on that. But there will be someone on this site that will pick this thread up and provide more detailed info. i think that is pretty complicated for 1st time, but to each is own and good luck with and let me know how it turns out, just keep some glycogen tabs on you.

[Belial10732]

Waxy maize is not a quickly digested carb- the supp companies that claim it is are flat out wrong, and from what I have seen base their claim on ONE old study measuring two hour glycogen replenishment using potato starch.

It can be used in a clinical trial setting to measure sustained insulin response/glucose levels in patients, as opposed to maltodextrin or other quickly processed carbohydrates. (The comments on its "unique osmolarity letting it bypass the stomach" are some of the most hilarious things I have ever read. Where do these people get their degrees? Hogwarts?)

Can't speak to much else in this thread, just wanted to make sure nobody was thinking of using waxy maize as emergency glucose replenishment. And, (certainly no offense Lbsomeiron, you're doing your research,) but this is why 99% of people need to stay the hell away from insulin. They know just enough to hurt themselves.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Trust me bro - I'm not even thinking of starting till I have everything nailed down.

Maybe you can suggest a good regimine for me?

IGF, hcg and slin...would appreciate it.

[HawaiianPride.]

LBSOMEIRON

Please read our forum rules, the link is located in my signature.

We've had to edit 2 of your threads due to referencing another forum board and discussing AAS prices.

Thanks.

[Vitruvian-Man]

You can start at 6iu of slin.... I'll post up my protocol in case you're interested...

10iu post-workout, and 10iu before bed.

I've bumped to 15iu x 2/day for a bit.

Immediately after I take 100G of basic carbs 25g protein shake (no more b/c it will slow carb digestion down) + glutamine + creatine + BCAA's.

I always have a can of Coca-Cola by my side in case of going hypo. Trust me, the first time it happens to yourself, it'll make you question if slin' is even worth it. Terrrrible feeling.

After about 6 months on rhGH start getting your blood glucose checked. You may build up a insulin issue....

IGF-1 x 50-75mcg x 2/ed (I'm not a huge fan of this peptide)

HCG = 500iu every 5th day while on cycle.

Hope that helps,

-VM

[LBSOMEIRON]

LBSOMEIRON

Please read our forum rules, the link is located in my signature.

We've had to edit 2 of your threads due to referencing another forum board and discussing AAS prices.

Thanks.

You got it bro - I did cut and paste a blog on a protocol and didn't realize it was against the rules.

I have not, however, never spoke a word about prices.

I am new here, I am not new to this game.....never a word.

[HawaiianPride.]

Pasting other articles is okay. We just can't have other forums referenced here.

And you had discussed prices in this thread..

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...72&postcount=1

Fourth line down, notice how it says "edit" in red lettering.

No worries bro, just looking out for you.

[Belial10732]

Trust me bro - I'm not even thinking of starting till I have everything nailed down.

Maybe you can suggest a good regimine for me?

IGF, hcg and slin...would appreciate it.

I got you man. I can't suggest a regimen better than what some of these guys can. Just posted up to point something out that might help other folks as well.

[LBSOMEIRON]

I gotcha bro -

Bel - sounds like I'll be starting with 2iu....after I get everything else down.

[maxdose]

Timing is a key ingredient with slin and IGF- IGF is 'insulin like' and will drop blood sugar as well- the 2 combined time wise means a close to 3 fold increase in the timing of low blood sugar, in other words IGF will enhance the action of insulin's glucose disposal.
Dont know when you plan on dosing them both but just something I thought I would add as far as planning protocol.

[LBSOMEIRON]

If my plan is off tell me, please.

Facts:
I train 1st thing in am on empty
I live 10-15 from the gym
I'm using 3iu slin, 50mcg igf and 5 iu of hgh
Side notes- 1g test, 125 mg tren 1-5 with 50mg dball
I will have coke and gummy bears in my office, car, bed.

Before training- bcaaas and hgh

I finish training and drink 1/2 shake of dextrose and whey 60/40, respectively)

I pin 3iu slin and 50mcg igf.

Finish rest of shake and drive home.

Shower, etc. Within the hour meal of cream of rice (40g carbs ) egg whites 25g pro. Banana

Way to office I sip another 40g of casein.

I am Always low carb. Just how I roll. So my next 4-5 meals will be high protein mod fat and lower carbs (usually from veggies only). Fats from pb and steak/fish/flax.



Finish rest of shake.

[myturn]

hope you guys dont mind me jumping in im on gh eight now never took any thing else before but im going to start taking some test and considering taking some insulin only after my workouts (low dose at first) but i just read some where that you should only take insulin after you ran 4 to 5 cycles of steroids any one know why this is or is it not true my reason for taking the growth is to put on muscle and keep it will insulin help me even more to aid in permanent muscle gains?

[LBSOMEIRON]

Disregard that last 'finish rest of shake'.

I'm in the airport. This is from my phone. Can't edit but will do so tomorrow.

Constructive criticism is welcomed.

I refuse to go into this blindfolded.

[LBSOMEIRON]

hope you guys dont mind me jumping in im on gh eight now never took any thing else before but im going to start taking some test and considering taking some insulin only after my workouts (low dose at first) but i just read some where that you should only take insulin after you ran 4 to 5 cycles of steroids any one know why this is or is it not true my reason for taking the growth is to put on muscle and keep it will insulin help me even more to aid in permanent muscle gains?

To be honest, it's rude. However, I'm not a prick. Yes, wait. This is not something to f around with.

[maxdose]

If my plan is off tell me, please.

Facts:
I train 1st thing in am on empty
I live 10-15 from the gym
I'm using 3iu slin, 50mcg igf and 5 iu of hgh
Side notes- 1g test, 125 mg tren 1-5 with 50mg dball
I will have coke and gummy bears in my office, car, bed.

Before training- bcaaas and hgh

I finish training and drink 1/2 shake of dextrose and whey 60/40, respectively)

I pin 3iu slin and 50mcg igf.

Finish rest of shake and drive home.

Shower, etc. Within the hour meal of cream of rice (40g carbs ) egg whites 25g pro. Banana

Way to office I sip another 40g of casein.

I am Always low carb. Just how I roll. So my next 4-5 meals will be high protein mod fat and lower carbs (usually from veggies only). Fats from pb and steak/fish/flax.



Finish rest of shake.

Well- theres alot of variables here- humalog or humulin r?
And the potency of IGF I have found some are much better than others.
3iu of slin is a decently low dose, the thing is if you have no experience with slin prior to this, its hard to guage how much glucose you may or may not need...I personally can use low glycemic carbs and go relatively low comparitively speaking when compared to the mantra of 10-20 grams dextrose ingested per iu of slin (which I think is BS personally).
The thing of is is, some people have remarkably good vs remarkably poor insulin sensitivity, others are middle of the road.
Taking the slin stand alone at first may give you the guage you need- IGF the first time around may really make 3iu more like 10 iu and if you are using something like humalog you could find 40gr carbs PWO to be leaving you dangerously low.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Thanks for the feedback.

So what I am hearing is that I just need to see how I feel.

Maybe take the full shake with me? Drink half and monitor the way I feel.

Humalog is what I've heard is the best to start with.

Igf is supplied to me by a very reputable source. High grade.

[ScotchGuard02]

Good info guys.

[HawaiianPride.]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=441768

My post should be of some assistance here.

[LBSOMEIRON]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=441768

My post should be of some assistance here.

It does bro, thanks...

SO I guess the only thing I really need to figure out on my own is the amount of carbs. First time I've deceided to start with 4iu and 50mcg imm. after training.

I'll have 100g of dextrose and take half...see how I feel...then take more if necessary. I have no chance of falling asleep since it's first thing...I just need to monitor the feeling.

Plan?

[HawaiianPride.]

Yeah just assess how you feel and add more if necessary. Be very attentive to your body language on this stuff.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Yeah just assess how you feel and add more if necessary. Be very attentive to your body language on this stuff.

Thanks brother. You've been a great help.

I am going to take some time off here (I'm on HRT all year, but just bringing a test/eq cycle to an end) and then start.

Do you think my protocol is ok? Should I be MORE concenred since it's taken on an empty stomach?

My plan is to drop the weights and shoot 50mcg (25 each) bilaterally and then 4ius of slin. I never even thought about this and probably a horridly dumb question, but this is an ab stick?

Then it's 50g of dextrose and 40g of whey - do you reccomend straight Dex? Should I get a MRP with dex and whey?

I'll have another 50g handy - I'll also invest in gummy bears....I cannot bring myself to drink a coke, but life or death and I'll rethink it.

Then, it's 40g of carbs from cream of rice and a banana with my egg whites.

For the first post post meal, can I go back to low carbs?

A lot of elementary questions, but as I mentioned (and I'm not afraid to say it again) I am a ***** cat when it comes to slin. I've been pushing it off for years now, but my trainer said it's time - yeah, he's a virgin slin user too.

Props to you and everyone else.

[maxdose]

It does bro, thanks...

SO I guess the only thing I really need to figure out on my own is the amount of carbs. First time I've deceided to start with 4iu and 50mcg imm. after training.

I'll have 100g of dextrose and take half...see how I feel...then take more if necessary. I have no chance of falling asleep since it's first thing...I just need to monitor the feeling.

Plan?

Yes, you just have to experience it first hand-eventually you can find a suitable amount of carbs for your per iu of slin.
Its obviously one of those things you want to err on the high side with and have standby carbs in case you start going hypo.
Once you figure that-THEN you can introduce the IGF and assess its effect on your glucose needs.
Took me a while to get my own system down, and I used slin 5-6 times stand alone before trying it with IGF.

Yeah just assess how you feel and add more if necessary. Be very attentive to your body language on this stuff.

Very good advice from HP. Hypo is a funny ass feeling but when it kicks hard you damn well know.
Usually get that dizzy hungry feeling and vision is affected, then heart rate increase, weakness in the legs, and then the sweating...thats when your in bad shape.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Thanks.

So how the hell do I know I've gone hypo after I train legs???

I'm kidding. But the introduction of dextrose will stop this feeling...how fast?

Is dextrose the carb of choice? Over glucose tabs!

Thnx.

[maxdose]

Thanks.

So how the hell do I know I've gone hypo after I train legs???

I'm kidding. But the introduction of dextrose will stop this feeling...how fast?

Is dextrose the carb of choice? Over glucose tabs!

Thnx.

I can use any simple sugar, the glucose tabs are dextrose (I think) but even fructose should work decently.
Usually hypo will subside in 15 minutes or so once you get enough glucose back in you, it also depends on how hypo you become.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Thanks for you advice and help.

I just want to make sure I have this dialed in. Is training first thing going to be an issue?

I'm thinking I should drive home FIRST (10-15 minutes), then take my 4iu of slin and 50g of dextrose....wait 15 minutes (shower) and then my 50mcg of igf right before I eat a meal of oats and egg whites, with a banana.

Next meal will be 3 hours later. Am I ok with going back to no/low carbs so long as I have carbs handy?

Last note - do you reccomend one over the other (dextrose/glucose)? I remember dex made me feel like shit - but I'm willing to do what it takes.

Shake will be 50g of dext with another 50 on standby.

[LBSOMEIRON]

new slin protocol
Just thought I would share something with you all. For the past month or so I have been taking 7-8iu humalog PRE-workout, as opposed to 10-15iu post-workout. I take the slin before I leave my house (along with 25mcg T3) and drink a 40g dextrose, 25g bcaa drink on the way to the gym. During my workout, I drink another 40g dextrose and 25g bcaa. Post workout, I take in 25g dextrose and 50g whey isolate.

So far, I have only gone hypo once, and it was very brief and mild. It feels like I gain >5lbs during my workout due to the pumps and my overall weight has gone up about 5% with little to no additional fat gain. Strength has gone up ~10%.

I have nothing but good things to say about this method. I feel as though I've made rapid advances in my physique, my workouts are more intense, and by rationing the carbs, I only get a little bloated, as opposed to "so bloated I can't eat" from my post slin 10g carbs/iu shake. Also, since the slin is out of my system earlier, I no longer have to worry about potential hypo while I'm sleeping, and my final meal of the day doesn't have to be as clean to prevent fat gain.

Currently also on test, eq and var. But, with some minor tweaking, I think this method could be used effectively off-cycle.
Thought....

[Anticatabolik]

Waxy maize mixed with Maltodextrin and dextrose 1 hour after an igf-1 shot:

Waxy maize starch is a long-chain, complex, super-high molecular weight, sugar-free carbohydrate. The high molecular weight produces a solution with high osmality that passes through the digestive system much faster than any other carbohydrate source and it the process rapidly pulls nutrients and protein to your muscles were they are needed the most.

Maltodextrin
A low DE white powder maltodextrin made by controlled hydrolysis of maize starch starch. A complex carbohydrate consisting of dextrose (glucose), maltose, maltotriose and higher polysaccharides. Poslysaccharides with a dextrose equivilance (DE) of less than 20 as classed as maltodextrins.

Dextrose
Glucose is a simple sugar monosaccharide. It is the most important carbohydrate and is used as an energy source in plants and animals. The natural form d-glucose is also known as dextrose.

Ive done this before with good results, real igf-1 is truly an amazing peptide and only a company in Australia called Gropep have the patent and make the holy grail of igf-1 which is longr3 'Receptor grade' 99.99999%

[LBSOMEIRON]

More concerned with nailing down the slin protocol.

Thought that post was interesting. Before training never occurred to me.

So many theories.

[maxdose]

new slin protocol
Just thought I would share something with you all. For the past month or so I have been taking 7-8iu humalog PRE-workout, as opposed to 10-15iu post-workout. I take the slin before I leave my house (along with 25mcg T3) and drink a 40g dextrose, 25g bcaa drink on the way to the gym. During my workout, I drink another 40g dextrose and 25g bcaa. Post workout, I take in 25g dextrose and 50g whey isolate.

So far, I have only gone hypo once, and it was very brief and mild. It feels like I gain >5lbs during my workout due to the pumps and my overall weight has gone up about 5% with little to no additional fat gain. Strength has gone up ~10%.

I have nothing but good things to say about this method. I feel as though I've made rapid advances in my physique, my workouts are more intense, and by rationing the carbs, I only get a little bloated, as opposed to "so bloated I can't eat" from my post slin 10g carbs/iu shake. Also, since the slin is out of my system earlier, I no longer have to worry about potential hypo while I'm sleeping, and my final meal of the day doesn't have to be as clean to prevent fat gain.

Currently also on test, eq and var. But, with some minor tweaking, I think this method could be used effectively off-cycle.
Thought....

I have heard of people doing this-Im not big on trying it, but I have had slin in close proximity to my workouts- havent really noticed anything except that I went slightly hypo on one occasion.
Sounds like its working really well for you.
Possibly hit the IGF PWO?

[LBSOMEIRON]

Postponing my new cycle (October 1st / tomorrow TBD) and New log....

Been off of everything (save hgh) for 3 weeks and am feeling ok - very suprised!


But mainly because I have slin /igf cold feet.


I am afraid #1 about the fat gain from slin - I'm always under 9% AND
afraid my diet isn't high enough in calories for a cycle to be benefitial i.e don't want to wast the gear.

Really stressed out with work and relationship BS. I'll keep you posted.

[HawaiianPride.]

Be sure to monitor your body language/fat gains from Slin carefully. It's very easy to control if you are noticing an increase in BF, but also easy to attain it.

Constant stress is no good. Remember cortisol and stress have a strong connection and higher and more prolonged levels of cortisol in the bloodstream can cause a host of complications. Some of which stand out IMO are an increase in adipose tissue (combined with the fat gains that "might" be accompanied from your Slin or bloat from AAS this is something you don't want!) suppressed thyroid function, high BP and BP imbalances (which as we all know can cause of host of more issues when AAS/PEPS are involved), decreased muscle tissue AND bond density <---- worst one right there IMO.

Keep that stress under control dude. Looking forward to your little log.