Test Prop with Anavar: an unwise 1st cycle?

[TKO Performance]

100mg/day of Anavar is too much for a first cycle. Cut that dose in half. Shorten cycle time of the Anavar to 8 weeks max as well. You do not want to take orals any longer than that, even Anavar. The lower dose will be just as effective, and it will allow you to up the dose for a second cycle, third, etc. 100mg/day is the max dose for Anavar, and more and you see no further benefit. Your body also develops a sort of memory to it, so if you start off with the max dose and then cycle again you won't see near the same results the second time as you would if you ran 50mg the first cycle and then maybe 60-80mg for the second, etc.

Otherwise looks pretty good. Any reason you chose prop over e or c?

[Bertuzzi]

100mg/day of Anavar is too much for a first cycle. Cut that dose in half. Shorten cycle time of the Anavar to 8 weeks max as well. You do not want to take orals any longer than that, even Anavar. The lower dose will be just as effective, and it will allow you to up the dose for a second cycle, third, etc. 100mg/day is the max dose for Anavar, and more and you see no further benefit. Your body also develops a sort of memory to it, so if you start off with the max dose and then cycle again you won't see near the same results the second time as you would if you ran 50mg the first cycle and then maybe 60-80mg for the second, etc.

Otherwise looks pretty good. Any reason you chose prop over e or c?

^^ Disagree....

What was your dose on your first Var only cycle TKO?

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

100mg/day of Anavar is too much for a first cycle. Cut that dose in half. Shorten cycle time of the Anavar to 8 weeks max as well. You do not want to take orals any longer than that, even Anavar. The lower dose will be just as effective, and it will allow you to up the dose for a second cycle, third, etc. 100mg/day is the max dose for Anavar, and more and you see no further benefit. Your body also develops a sort of memory to it, so if you start off with the max dose and then cycle again you won't see near the same results the second time as you would if you ran 50mg the first cycle and then maybe 60-80mg for the second, etc.

Otherwise looks pretty good. Any reason you chose prop over e or c?

Thanks for the response, but I read on the main site that anything less than 60 mg of Var is not worth it. As for the prop... it's a better quality of test. Money is not an issue for me. I've been saving up for a while to go on AAS. Most first cycles I see here consist of 12 weeks of Test. Is it due to the Var that you are recommending less time on cycle? I'm not worried about pain with the prop, because it will be pharma grade and I plan to cut it with grapefruit seed oil.

[Bertuzzi]

Thanks for the response, but I read on the main site that anything less than 60 mg of Var is not worth it. As for the prop... it's a better quality of test. Money is not an issue for me. I've been saving up for a while to go on AAS. Most first cycles I see here consist of 12 weeks of Test. Is it due to the Var that you are recommending less time on cycle? I'm not worried about pain with the prop, because it will be pharma grade and I plan to cut it with grapefruit seed oil.

Keep your Var dose where you have it although going down to 80mg to save some money is an ok idea too as you most likely will not notice a difference in gains between 100 and 80.

After about 8 to 10 weeks on prop you won't really continue to make big gains so there is no point to extending the cycle when you can potentially suffer more sides, the longer you run it. Not to mention the short ester will allow you to start to see results much quicker than a long ester.... No point in shutting yourself down for any longer than you have to.


I have also heard of emotional sides coming from prop over 10 weeks but never experienced them myself.

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

Keep your Var dose where you have it although going down to 80mg to save some money is an ok idea too as you most likely will not notice a difference in gains between 100 and 80.

After about 8 to 10 weeks on prop you won't really continue to make big gains so there is no point to extending the cycle when you can potentially suffer more sides, the longer you run it. Not to mention the short ester will allow you to start to see results much quicker than a long ester.... No point in shutting yourself down for any longer than you have to.


I have also heard of emotional sides coming from prop over 10 weeks but never experienced them myself.

So, cut the cycle down to 10 weeks and cut the Var ED to 80 mgs? Here's a question for you: how much spike to my gains will the Var add with the Test-P versus doing Test-P alone?

[Bertuzzi]

So, cut the cycle down to 10 weeks and cut the Var ED to 80 mgs? Here's a question for you: how much spike to my gains will the Var add with the Test-P versus doing Test-P alone?

Not really an answer for that.... only you would be able to answer that question once you've had personal experience with each compound individually.

Also run something for your liver while on cycle... Liv 52 is good.

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

Not really an answer for that.... only you would be able to answer that question once you've had personal experience with each compound individually.

Also run something for your liver while on cycle... Liv 52 is good.

Thanks. 150 mg EOD of the Test P sound right?

[Bertuzzi]

Thanks. 150 mg EOD of the Test P sound right?

Sounds good to me.... I ran 75mg/ed so its the same thing.

Good Luck, be safe, work hard and keep that diet in check!

[needle]

Thanks for the response, but I read on the main site that anything less than 60 mg of Var is not worth it. As for the prop... it's a better quality of test. Money is not an issue for me. I've been saving up for a while to go on AAS. Most first cycles I see here consist of 12 weeks of Test. Is it due to the Var that you are recommending less time on cycle? I'm not worried about pain with the prop, because it will be pharma grade and I plan to cut it with grapefruit seed oil.

After a couple weeks of ed or eod injects prop doesnt hurt anymore. Muscles and body will get use to it... I think 12 wks is another good choice to maximize your first cycle... 100mg of var seems to be very high, especially for a newbie... I ran a var only cycle not to long ago of 30mg daily and I had wonderful results...