Caber and Dutast

[sm15]

hey guys putting the last little bit of my cycle together which includes test tren and mast
fixing to order some caber to block prolactin and some dutast to help from any ridiculous amount of shedding

two questions
1) i was gooing to order from ar-r. You guys thinks thats good stuff?
2) what dosages should i take of each of those never used either before?

[RANA]

hey guys putting the last little bit of my cycle together which includes test tren and mast
fixing to order some caber to block prolactin and some dutast to help from any ridiculous amount of shedding

two questions
1) i was gooing to order from ar-r. You guys thinks thats good stuff?
2) what dosages should i take of each of those never used either before?

It depends if its liquid caber and/or pills. Liquid caber tends to start losing it's effects within a few weeks.
I have only purchased once from ar-r and that was a few years ago (nolva/clomid).

[sm15]

yeah he has the liquid caber

[RANA]

yeah he has the liquid caber

I started with .25 x2 per week (.5 total per week) and had to up my dosage after 4 weeks

[sm15]

great thats gonna get expensive. what about dusasteride. anyone with any suggestions

[RANA]

great thats gonna get expensive. what about dusasteride. anyone with any suggestions

I'm currently running propecia at 1mg per day for the last 7 or so years for MPB. I assume Dusasteride comes in 5mg? If it does you can cut it up in forth (1.25mg). I didn't have hair loss with tren. I was going to add mast but too many hair issues related to that, that is why I am also avoiding winny.

[sm15]

yeah i don't really have any hair issues until im coming off. it always grow back in too but just wanna prevent it as much as possible. so if i block as much dht as i can i think i'll be alright

[sm15]

lions dutast is .5 mg/ml in a 30 ml bottle. so 1 ml a day would only last 2 weeks.

[RANA]

lions dutast is .5 mg/ml in a 30 ml bottle. so 1 ml a day would only last 2 weeks.

I have never messed with liquid dutast (Finasteride). I cant give you advice on that but if you can try to obtain propecia.

[sm15]

that stuff is expensive to how the hell you afford that

[RANA]

It is very expensive

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I'm currently running propecia at 1mg per day for the last 7 or so years for MPB. I assume Dusasteride comes in 5mg? If it does you can cut it up in forth (1.25mg). I didn't have hair loss with tren. I was going to add mast but too many hair issues related to that, that is why I am also avoiding winny.

The duts I get cannot be cut...they are liquid in a rubber-like pill. I've never seen duta dosed at anything other than 0.5mg

[sm15]

hey fig what do you take as a normal dosage to help prevent hairloss

[RANA]

The duts I get cannot be cut...they are liquid in a rubber-like pill. I've never seen duta dosed at anything other than 0.5mg

I didnt know the dustate came in liquid form since its was similar to Finasteride which comes in pills.

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hey fig what do you take as a normal dosage to help prevent hairloss

I and most people are on 0.5mg. Some go as high as 2.5mg/day and I've heard as high as 10mg/day.

Using 0.5mg lowers blood DHT by something like 90% and scalp DHT by something like 70%

Using 2.5mg lowers blood DHT by something like 93% and scalp DHT by something like 90%

So, ideally 2.5mg is great. However, it is very expensive at 2.5mg and the risk for sides goes up. I'd suggest starting at 0.5 and see how you react. Be warned...you will shed. I shed a ton of hair and it's just starting to regrow (6 months later). This would also happen on Propecia, just not as bad (because the drug is not as strong). Some have also reported a shed followed by NO regrowth. There is a group of German people somewhere on the net reporting it devastated their hair.

[sm15]

i have red multiple times that dutasteride is stronger than finasteride(propecia)
my cycle is very long and i planned on starting in with my cycle and taking it for a couple months after?
What you think?

[operationgetbig]

i never used arr's caber. i only use upjohn's cabaser. to control prolactin .5mg twice a week should suffice.

caber is good stuff. it truly cured my tren dick. took me a little more then just .5mg twice a week. right now im takin .5mg eod. i wouldn't recommend going any higher then that but i can orgasm minutes after a previous orgasm. sex drive is ridiculous. add testosterone, proviron and viagra to get the best sex drive and erections ever.

[sm15]

whats upjohn's cabaser?

[fig]

i have red multiple times that dutasteride is stronger than finasteride(propecia)
my cycle is very long and i planned on starting in with my cycle and taking it for a couple months after?
What you think?

Are you already losing hair? I would start ASAP. How long is your cycle? If you start taking it, be very aware of the shed. If you start them both around the same time, you will lose hair because of the Dut, not the Test. It would be very easy to attribute hairloss to Test if you're not aware.

I know I mentioned shedding before but coming off Dut after a shed, while on a long cycle would prob be the WORST possible thing you could ever do to your hair. Just want to get that across...lol.

whats upjohn's cabaser?

Upjohn is a pharmaceutical manufacturer. He's referring to their caber product...maybe it's called Cabaser.

[sm15]

im not losing hair at all, nor am i prone to hair loss. Just looking for the best way to prevent it or at least make it way less harsh. Did i read this previous post right. Says the dutast will make you shed??

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im not losing hair at all, nor am i prone to hair loss. Just looking for the best way to prevent it or at least make it way less harsh. Did i read this previous post right. Says the dutast will make you shed??

I'm almost sure shedding only occurs if you are prone to MPB. If you are not and just looking for preventative measures, Propecia is the way to go. It is much less risky in terms of sides, more affordable and will inhibit your gains less.

Other members may tell you not to bother, as it will inhibit your gains to some extent. I would not oppose this. Maybe just have some on hand and monitor your hair...you will likely not lose any.

[sm15]

yes this is strickly for preventitive measures, as my girlfriend is a cosmotologist and is going to get me a dht inhibiting shampoo as well. I will not lie my last cycle of tren got all screwed up especially during pct and i think that was a huge part in my shedding. so, like i said, 90 percent of the reason im looking into it is just to keep from having it.

[Reginald]

Are you already losing hair? I would start ASAP. How long is your cycle? If you start taking it, be very aware of the shed. If you start them both around the same time, you will lose hair because of the Dut, not the Test. It would be very easy to attribute hairloss to Test if you're not aware.

I know I mentioned shedding before but coming off Dut after a shed, while on a long cycle would prob be the WORST possible thing you could ever do to your hair. Just want to get that across...lol.



Upjohn is a pharmaceutical manufacturer. He's referring to their caber product...maybe it's called Cabaser.

What on Earth 'shedding' means bros'
I'm uncertain if to place an order to get a Liquid Dustate by Cem products or other one in order to get dry-powder Finasteride vial from bulk peptides.
What 'shed' means?
What's side effects?

[HitIt]

http://www.dutasteride.com/dutasteride-shedding.html

read

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What on Earth 'shedding' means bros'
I'm uncertain if to place an order to get a Liquid Dustate by Cem products or other one in order to get dry-powder Finasteride vial from bulk peptides.
What 'shed' means?
What's side effects?

Shedding means you will lose hair that will eventually come back. To say you will lose hair implies it won't come back. There are several potential side effects. Lowered libido, ED, gyno, etc. There's a lot of info on it...take HitIt's advise

[40plusnewbie]

I'm on tren 1st time. I didn't order a prolactin blocker figuring i could pick one up quick if I started experiencing symptoms (I have adex and letro both on hand for the test). Is it standard for guys to have caber or similar on hand for any cycle including tren or is it OK to hold off as long as u know u can get some within a few days if u get symptoms?

[dieseljimmy]

i have red multiple times that dutasteride is stronger than finasteride(propecia)
my cycle is very long and i planned on starting in with my cycle and taking it for a couple months after?
What you think?

I have taken propecia and dutasteride. I have also taken ar-r dutest. Dutastride for ar-r is fine. I run .5mg ed. I too have minor shedding on cycle with regrowth off cycle. The only difference I have noticed is minor libido issues(lack of sensitivity) with 1 mg propecia I have not noticed any libido issues with .5mg duta.

[Ackee_walk]

Side effects of dutaseride include an increase in libido, but with a lowered sperm count. It is found to have a greater effect on the treatment of MPTL but of course, with more potent side effects.

[Bonaparte]

Side effects of dutaseride include an increase in libido, but with a lowered sperm count. It is found to have a greater effect on the treatment of MPTL but of course, with more potent side effects.

No. 5a-reducatse inhibitors will lower your libido, since DHT is very important for boners.

And OP, if you don't have access to tablets, go with liquid Prami, since Caber goes bad in liquid very quickly (or so I've read).
And don't even bother with the Dutasteride if you're going to be running Tren and Masteron, as those are the two WORST compounds on your hair. It won't help.

[Reginald]

Shedding means you will lose hair that will eventually come back. To say you will lose hair implies it won't come back. There are several potential side effects. Lowered libido, ED, gyno, etc. There's a lot of info on it...take HitIt's advise

Oh,well,I thought u loss hair if u have too androgens only.
So,dutast is different than Finasteride,right? with Finasteride I don't get to loss my hair. Actually now,I loss a bit of my hair ,'cause time ago I used T3 & T4 exogenous hormones,so I think I need to use some stuff in order to recovery my thyroid. some stuff as T3 by SAN,or forskohlii,I don't know. otherwise I'll try to use exogenous TSH or TRH. I need to get some search-research before.
What does 'ED' means? ..and what about Topical Spiro 5% 8oz?? (and what does '5% 8oz' mean?

[dieseljimmy]

Oh,well,I thought u loss hair if u have too androgens only.
So,dutast is different than Finasteride,right? with Finasteride I don't get to loss my hair. Actually now,I loss a bit of my hair ,'cause time ago I used T3 & T4 exogenous hormones,so I think I need to use some stuff in order to recovery my thyroid. some stuff as T3 by SAN,or forskohlii,I don't know. otherwise I'll try to use exogenous TSH or TRH. I need to get some search-research before.
What does 'ED' means? ..and what about Topical Spiro 5% 8oz?? (and what does '5% 8oz' mean?

Yes propecia and dutast are different substance. My understanding is propecia works om scalp dht while dutast works on scalp and prostate dht. So either will work.
ED- every day
Spiro is a gel or cream that is rubbed into your scalp. It is supposed to reduce dht. Has a funky smell. The percent represents the amount of spiro in the gel/cream.
I have heard of dudes crushing up propecia and putting it in their shampoo.

[Reginald]

Yes propecia and dutast are different substance. My understanding is propecia works om scalp dht while dutast works on scalp and prostate dht. So either will work.
ED- every day
Spiro is a gel or cream that is rubbed into your scalp. It is supposed to reduce dht. Has a funky smell. The percent represents the amount of spiro in the gel/cream.
I have heard of dudes crushing up propecia and putting it in their shampoo.

I thought finasteride is for prostate too,while dustat is only for hair.
So,What should I buy in order to recovery/restore my prostate after AAS,T cycles? Finasteride or Dutast? (bulk peptides.com sell dry-powder Finasteride vials too,while cem products sell only dutast). I've been to find only these two suppliers-company which sell finasteride in powder shape or dutast. What do u suggest to buy for prostate?

[Bonaparte]

I thought finasteride is for prostate too,while dustat is only for hair.
So,What should I buy in order to recovery/restore my prostate after AAS,T cycles? Finasteride or Dutast? (bulk peptides.com sell dry-powder Finasteride vials too,while cem products sell only dutast). I've been to find only these two suppliers-company which sell finasteride in powder shape or dutast. What do u suggest to buy for prostate?

Do you suffer from an enlarged prostate? If not, don't use either.

[Reginald]

I don't think to have prostatite or enlarged prostate, I'm just wondering what people use if get an enlarged prostate or close messy things about their prostate after AAs,hgh,igf-1 cycles,u know.
What the best stuff/pharmaceutical Ronnie Coleman,Cutler,Wolf and they all use to recovery their prostates after mass cycles?
is it sufficient to take Finasteride or Dutast, or it exist best ,more powerfull,more safety stuff in the world?

[Bonaparte]

I don't think to have prostatite or enlarged prostate, I'm just wondering what people use if get an enlarged prostate or close messy things about their prostate after AAs,hgh,igf-1 cycles,u know.
What the best stuff/pharmaceutical Ronnie Coleman,Cutler,Wolf and they all use to recovery their prostates after mass cycles?
is it sufficient to take Finasteride or Dutast, or it exist best ,more powerfull,more safety stuff in the world?

Most guys (especially if they're under 40 or so) won't notice any issues with their prostate from AAS cycling. Also, know that estrogen is a bigger offender in this respect than DHT, so you'd really be better off using Aromasin. And if they do, it will often just be while they are running Tren or something, then their prostate will shrink back to normal once the androgen is discontinued. Seriously, 5a-r inhibitors come with a lot of potential side effects and should only be used if they are really needed (side effects include: loss of libido, erectile dysfunction, high estrogen, gyno, and a softer physique since DHT is needed for muscle hardness and strength). So don't worry about it for now.
I used Finasteride my first 2 cycles for my hair, but I stopped using it since it was killing my libido, muscle hardness, and strength gains.

[Reginald]

Most guys (especially if they're under 40 or so) won't notice any issues with their prostate from AAS cycling. Also, know that estrogen is a bigger offender in this respect than DHT, so you'd really be better off using Aromasin. And if they do, it will often just be while they are running Tren or something, then their prostate will shrink back to normal once the androgen is discontinued. Seriously, 5a-r inhibitors come with a lot of potential side effects and should only be used if they are really needed (side effects include: loss of libido, erectile dysfunction, high estrogen, gyno, and a softer physique since DHT is needed for muscle hardness and strength). So don't worry about it for now.
I used Finasteride my first 2 cycles for my hair, but I stopped using it since it was killing my libido, muscle hardness, and strength gains.

I thought was DHT the offender for prostate.

So,it's too quantity of extrogenous to cause prosta problems ...DHT is matter only of hair,is it correct?

[Reginald]

I used a very messy cycle with only Sustanon and Deca,then I used only Clomid after cycle. I get the feeling to have too extrogens and DHT now.
I get the feeling was better if I used HCG too, and also Arimidex.
So,if I would use Aromasin or Letro too,I get to enbalance,level off,decrease extrogens. Get Finasteride and Dutast to increase extrogens ,right?

[Bonaparte]

I used a very messy cycle with only Sustanon and Deca,then I used only Clomid after cycle. I get the feeling to have too extrogens and DHT now.
I get the feeling was better if I used HCG too, and also Arimidex.
So,if I would use Aromasin or Letro too,I get to enbalance,level off,decrease extrogens. Get Finasteride and Dutast to increase extrogens ,right?

What do you mean by extrogens? Estrogen?
I'm only going to repeat this one more time: from what you have posted here, you have no reason to worry about DHT or 5ar inhibitors for the time being.
BTW, you completely jacked this thread. That's poor board etiquette.

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Yes propecia and dutast are different substance. My understanding is propecia works om scalp dht while dutast works on scalp and prostate dht. So either will work.
ED- every day
Spiro is a gel or cream that is rubbed into your scalp. It is supposed to reduce dht. Has a funky smell. The percent represents the amount of spiro in the gel/cream.
I have heard of dudes crushing up propecia and putting it in their shampoo.

There are 2 enzymes that convert Testosterone into DHT. Propecia (Finesteride) inhibits one, Avodart (Dutasteride) inhibits both. Neither drug is partial to any body part. Both lower DHT which in turn brings the prostate back to normal size and allows hair to grow for those with MPB.

ED = Erectile Dysfunction (but is also very commonly used for "Everyday")

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No. 5a-reducatse inhibitors will lower your libido, since DHT is very important for boners.

And OP, if you don't have access to tablets, go with liquid Prami, since Caber goes bad in liquid very quickly (or so I've read).
And don't even bother with the Dutasteride if you're going to be running Tren and Masteron, as those are the two WORST compounds on your hair. It won't help.

Yes, I was going to say the same. There are, however, a very small % of people that experience an increase. Since it's so uncommon, last I've read, there is only speculation as to why. Since less Test is being converted to DHT, your system is left with an excess of both Test and Estrogen...that's a fact. It's speculated that for some people, Test and Estro have a greater influence over libido rather than DHT like most people. I have read very little on this so don't take that for fact and it was a little while ago so there may be more info on it, not sure.