9/11 What do you think?

[Twist]

Closed minded and hypocritical people are ruining this board! It was not like this two years ago. Respect each other and stop making accusations about peoples characters.

Go look up plane crashes on the internet. Plenty of pics of destroyed planes. Go look up pictures of the pentagon "crash". No pictures of a plane. Theses are just facts, no bias at all. Pictures do not lie. The section of the area that was hit by the "plane" was just resinforced for a bombing (coincidence?) and the first ring was only destroyed, the second ring is intact. The four inner rings remain intact, mainly fire damages from the initial explosion. Explain how a 100 ton airplane travelling at over 250mph could cause minimal damage? Further explain how there are no remnants of a plane anywhere.

- pentagon plane remnants
- Chaney running crazy air drills on 9/11 confusing our military personel
- The world trade center building (not twin towers) that was rigged and " taken down" with explosives by US military, (US admits to doing this), why was there explosives placed in the building prior?
- Recently taken out insurance policy on trade centers (very convenient)
just to name a few odd issues... There are many more. Look at facts and they don't line up. Every country thinks we are retarded, and face it, we are.

[jojomcgo]

I didn't join the military because the U.S. has not faught a just war simnce WWII. That being said, I have many friends in military (8 in totla in the military, 2 died) I had four friends of mine graduate from Annapolis at the same time back in 2005.. I would assure you that you being an enlisted member, probably wouldn't tell your C.O. of your little theory that the whole thing was a set up propogated by the U.S., government.. Next time you see someone Al Qaida or the Taliban (which you probably never will since you are most likely in the army and therefore sit on the sidelines while the Marines do all the real work), why don't you ask them if they had anything to do with this or if they were just taking credit for the U.S. Governments actions as you are implying..

LOL are you for real?? dude your just a PUNK and im done im not going to argue with you or even talk about my service, i know what i've done. and FYI yes i was in the army and im a screaming eagle and fcking proud of it.

[Twist]

I didn't join the military because the U.S. has not faught a just war simnce WWII. That being said, I have many friends in military (8 in totla in the military, 2 died) I had four friends of mine graduate from Annapolis at the same time back in 2005.. I would assure you that you being an enlisted member, probably wouldn't tell your C.O. of your little theory that the whole thing was a set up propogated by the U.S., government.. Next time you see someone Al Qaida or the Taliban (which you probably never will since you are most likely in the army and therefore sit on the sidelines while the Marines do all the real work), why don't you ask them if they had anything to do with this or if they were just taking credit for the U.S. Governments actions as you are implying..

You are so disrespectful. I have never seen you have any constructive input at all.

[marcus300]

Come on guys lets try and keep away from flaming and stick with debating the issues.

[stack_it]

This thread is ridiculous. The planes hit the building, the building fell whether from the plane or not, and a large amount of people died. Even if it were proven to be a conspiracy what part of that would it change? Not a damn thing....

[calgarian]

This thread is ridiculous. The planes hit the building, the building fell whether from the plane or not, and a large amount of people died. Even if it were proven to be a conspiracy what part of that would it change? Not a damn thing....

if it was proven that the government did it then patriot act will demolish, War on Afghanistan, Iraq will have no grounds to stand on and those good soldiers will not lose their life cause some bureaucrat wanted to go into those countries.

[Twist]

This thread is ridiculous. The planes hit the building, the building fell whether from the plane or not, and a large amount of people died. Even if it were proven to be a conspiracy what part of that would it change? Not a damn thing....

How about the people who made millions benefitting from the war and its aftermath, spending all their money rather than rotting in jail for the rest of their lives for what they did to so many peoples' families?

[stack_it]

if it was proven that the government did it then patriot act will demolish, War on Afghanistan, Iraq will have no grounds to stand on and those good soldiers will not lose their life cause some bureaucrat wanted to go into those countries.

We could find out it was set up today and we would still be at war tomorrow. They won't just pull out instantly. Yes it would make the war a war with no reason but it would also make the families who lost there loved ones in the war feel like they were lost for nothing. Yes justice should be served to whoever deserves it if it was set up but think about the pros and cons that go along with it. We put a few people in a federal prison where they'll be fairly comfortable for the rest of there life and all the families of the thousands of soldiers who died have to suffer more. I say what's done is done it's time to move on from the conspiracy and try to stop future ones rather than harp on past ones.

[stack_it]

How about the people who made millions benefitting from the war and its aftermath, spending all their money rather than rotting in jail for the rest of their lives for what they did to so many peoples' families?

Knowing my family member died in vein rather than for his country would be harder on most families. Proving the conspiracy would just start all there turmoil over.

[calgarian]

We could find out it was set up today and we would still be at war tomorrow. They won't just pull out instantly. Yes it would make the war a war with no reason but it would also make the families who lost there loved ones in the war feel like they were lost for nothing. Yes justice should be served to whoever deserves it if it was set up but think about the pros and cons that go along with it. We put a few people in a federal prison where they'll be fairly comfortable for the rest of there life and all the families of the thousands of soldiers who died have to suffer more. I say what's done is done it's time to move on from the conspiracy and try to stop future ones rather than harp on past ones.

True .....if they dont get stopped after 9/11 then london bombing what else will stop them.......

[Twist]

Knowing my family member died in vein rather than for his country would be harder on most families. Proving the conspiracy would just start all there turmoil over.

Your right we should all just ignore everything because someone might get offended or have to deal with the truth... Should we apply this to everything or just mass murder?

[stack_it]

Your right we should all just ignore everything because someone might get offended or have to deal with the truth... Should we apply this to everything or just mass murder?

The sooner you realize there is no real justice the easier the world will be. Tell me exactly what proving the conspiracy would solve and how it would make things better. There's certain things the general public can't handle and the govt understands that. Even if the govt knows that it was set up by other govt officials they know that it's better for the general pop not to know. There would be civil war and chaps around the country. You really think people would just be ok with putting the people behind bars? Fvck no they wouldn't. It would be insane everywhere which would solve nothing and just make life harder for everyone.

[Twist]

Sometimes it takes a civil war to fix whats wrong, I am not against that if that is what it takes. Are you suggesting that we tailor our lives and the information we hear to the people who wouldn't be able to handle it? Think of what tv would be like (I don't even watch tv anyway though lol). Think about the news, "nobody died today in a train bombing, and nobody did it" because someone might get offended? And so what if people want more than jail, I do. I was born in New York and for everyone that died that day... Well let's just say I don't give a shit what happens to them, leave them to the dogs.

this is why you fight for the truth, not to get justice, but to prevent any further damage

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up"

[stack_it]

What I'm saying is leave well enough alone and move on. 9/11 happened there's no changing it. Were just wasting time debating it. We both have opinions and views that have sense behind them. Finding the fine line between those views and putting it into action is what needs to be done and that's not an easy thing to do.

[Nooomoto]

Further explain how there are no remnants of a plane anywhere.

These are pictures from the Pentagon showing plane parts strewn about







I could keep going...but yeah...what was it you were saying about no airplane parts at the Pentagon crash site?

[calgarian]

These are pictures from the Pentagon showing plane parts strewn about







I could keep going...but yeah...what was it you were saying about no airplane parts at the Pentagon crash site?

seriously does those parts look like it came from commercial 747???

[Nooomoto]

seriously does those parts look like it came from commercial 747???

You're right! It must be one of those new cars made out of aircraft aluminum, wing sections and jet turbine engine parts.

[Twist]

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

what a boeing looks like when it crashes
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/40477872.html

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

I can keep going too...

the pentagon is the least of the inconsistencies...

this is some stupid conspiracy site post, I don't like to get any info from them cuz they are bias, but it does show interesting footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg

[DNoMac]

http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-en...0.9919245.html

[DNoMac]

The site I posted above is from the U.S. Department of State's Bureau of International Information Programs. They address many of the popular theories suggested in Loose Change and back up their claims with direct citations. You guys can judge for yourself. Personally, I don't believe for a second our own government would inflict this type of damage to its own people. Perhaps I'm a sheep.

[DSM4Life]

Like Dno i refuse to believe it.

I just watched this which is about the people and not the event.

http://documentaryheaven.com/911-the-falling-man/

[LawMan018]

u had to bring in the human sentiment to make ppl against it..didnt u? Plus if you paid attention you will ntice that most of the family members are asking for a official investigation for 911....

oh and BTW it wasnt ripped a part i watched it on c-span ......if u want to be the guy who believe that just one air plane can bring down the whole building...well sir its ur opinion......why there were 3 blasts heared right before the trade center tower went away?

Uhhh... Do you "not" remember how Luke Skywalker brought down the Death Star in Episode IV? I rest my case...

[jojomcgo]

you where not there and i was not there i don't know what the hole truth is and you dont know what the truth is.

But you think your goverment don't lie to you and you think that they have not done things like 9/11 before in other places to bring down other goverments then i feel for you cause you are truly lost if you can't at least step back and say it COULD be possable then friend you have lost the war already, as i beleave 100% that there is a war on for your mind don't listen to me don't listen to any one research for your self, find facts out for your self! what do you think it's a coincidence the younger gen... know more about jersey shore then there own political leaders??

[stack_it]

Uhhh... Do you "not" remember how Luke Skywalker brought down the Death Star in Episode IV? I rest my case...

Lmao WIN!

[big_ron]

Im gunna go a bit churchy on this 1, even tho im not. stopping them from bombing etc will not stop the killings in the future, putting them in jail may prevent THEM from repeating the crime, but its the nature of man that needs to change

[matt77]

seriously does those parts look like it came from commercial 747???

I am not getting in on the debate on this whole issue. But from an aviation perspective I can say yes that is parts from a Boeing jet that are in American Airlines colors. It was also a 757 not 747, A 747 is about twice the size of a 757.

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

what a boeing looks like when it crashes
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/40477872.html

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=622

I can keep going too...

the pentagon is the least of the inconsistencies...

this is some stupid conspiracy site post, I don't like to get any info from them cuz they are bias, but it does show interesting footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg

That is what it looked like when an airliner crashes not being slammed into the ground on purpose with a full load of fuel. But like I said I have my views on 9/11 but Im not jumping in this conversation with my views just my experience.

[40plusnewbie]

I haven't read this thread but have read some 'conspiracy theory' stuff and saw the same type of video's.

Here are my thoughts: I think it's safe to assume whoever was behind it (bin ladin?) and the actual suicide guys were not the only ones who knew it was going down. I also think it's safe to assume that anyone with significant finances who may have known in advance would also have the means to figure out and implement a strategy of how to make money off of it. How many people in this catagory? No idea.

I also think that the usa is using 'terrorism' and the 'war on terror' as a means of controlling the populace.

You can not have a 'war on terror'. Terrorism is a MILITARY TACTIC. You can't have a war on a military tactic, it's like having a war on a 'flanking maneuver'. People in power with lots of money (not all of course) love controlling other people (just as many poor or regular people do). But the uber rich have much greater means to accomplish this on a wide scale.

A 'war on terror' can never be won, EVER. So it is a farce. I'm not gonna shed tears over some guy who plans on blowing up himself and a bunch of other people getting a sniper bullet in the head but to consider the 'war on terror' something other than a scare tactic to control the populace i consider naive.

Scare people, then take away their rights, little by little, selling it by telling them it's to 'keep them safe'.

I prefer freedom and providing my own protection for myself.

I think the more and more our rights get squeezed away from us the more radical people are gonna get pissed off and then pull a timothy mcvey or whatever.... and there u have it.... the cycle perpetuates itself... more 'control' to keep us safe... people who value freedom but are also violent wacco's go blow shit up.... in effect the 'war on terror' is going to create terrorists on our own soil by our own citizens.

I have heard talk about labeling drug dealers as 'terrorists'.

I do not want to live in Nazi Germany with some jackbooted thug on every street corner monitoring me 'for my safety'.

[Twist]

We started the Vietnam war the same way... Countries have been doing it forever. Anyway none of us will really know, but I don't like to bend over take it in the ass just cuz I can't stop it.

[marcus300]

This is a great debate, i like reading both sides and everyone's opinion but i'm still confused to which side i'm on

[Matt]

1. The theories presented in Loose Change and by Alex Jones were ripped apart by Popular Mechanics AND National Geographic in two separate case studies. Both of which are available for anyone to see on the internet. I've posted links to them before in the news section. Sorry, but "guy from the internet" does not have more credibility than internationally trusted and vetted publications that have been around forever.

2. It takes MONTHS and a huge crew to properly wire a building for demolition. During the process, the building's exterior must be stripped allowing access to the skeleton of the building. Did anyone see large crews stripping down the towers? No..

3. It would require the skillset of a highly trained and specialized military unit to pull off a covert demolition of a skyscraper in the middle of NYC, not to mention more than one. The only military in the world with the resources to pull off something like that is ours. If you know anything about TOEs and the military process, an operation such as the one being presented in various theories would involve hundreds, if not thousands of American military members. Under such circumstances it would be impossible to maintain operational security. Beyond that...good luck finding that many American soldiers willing to slaughter thousands of American civilians.

These theories are ridiculous and do nothing but disgrace the memory of those who died and those who fight to avenge the deaths of those who died. If you look at the websites where these theories originate and fester, they are littered with ads selling all kinds of garbage. Books, survival supplies, DVDs, etc...this is an industry, not a quest for truth.

Very well said....

[DSM4Life]

Agree with Noo.

[Ca$tro]

This is an interesting debate people...
Firstly plenty of people died, for whom i am sure we all show respect...
Conspiricy theory or not??? keep it coming....
My mate has just given me 2 dvd's called 'The Arrival' and 'The Revival', haven't had time to watch them yet, has anyone seen them??? Apparently has something to do with politics and a "One World Order"...
I am not into politics, but i find these particular issues interesting just for informational purposes, because i am open minded...
Man life is hard enough, we are just pawns in the bigger game of chess....

[Swifto]

The thing about these conspiracy's is they include SO many people for them to be true. That's what I cant get my head around.

Who the hell is going to wire the WTC with explosives? It would take hundreds of people. Your telling me there all happy with killing 3,000 innocent lives? They must ALL be some sick f*cks.

[calgarian]

I am not getting in on the debate on this whole issue. But from an aviation perspective I can say yes that is parts from a Boeing jet that are in American Airlines colors. It was also a 757 not 747, A 747 is about twice the size of a 757.



That is what it looked like when an airliner crashes not being slammed into the ground on purpose with a full load of fuel. But like I said I have my views on 9/11 but Im not jumping in this conversation with my views just my experience.

as you can see that 757 very clearly in this "officially released video".

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...,97499,00.html

[calgarian]

The thing about these conspiracy's is they include SO many people for them to be true. That's what I cant get my head around.

Who the hell is going to wire the WTC with explosives? It would take hundreds of people. Your telling me there all happy with killing 3,000 innocent lives? They must ALL be some sick f*cks.

do you honestly think that these guys give a 2 cent fvck about you or me? they have more money then God now they are after Power and the way world population is they cant control They need to reduce it significantly in order to control all of us.

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...ion-reduction/

[MaNiCC]

Moto could you get the links up for the docs that pulled loose change apart?, i wouldn't mind watching them

[Nooomoto]

Moto could you get the links up for the docs that pulled loose change apart?, i wouldn't mind watching them

Sure...here. I'll post them then I'm done with this thread. I come here for laughs and information on AAS/supplements/training...this is taking away from that!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/news/1227842

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...onspiracy-4067

[crazy_rocks]

even if it were bombs it wouldnt matter because the building gave in where the planes hit. having bombs stories below would not have made any difference in the collapse.

[calgarian]

even if it were bombs it wouldnt matter because the building gave in where the planes hit. having bombs stories below would not have made any difference in the collapse.

really thats why they collapse with in....have u ever seen anything happened like that unless "its pulled"???

[warchild]

I know firemen that responded to the wtc and the pentagon and they all have never once said it was an inside job. First hand accounts that were on scene first of both these tragedies and you guys wanna sit here and try to sound smart and say it was a conspiracy because you have watched some video on the internet that now makes you an expert?? You guys don't know shit!