9/11 What do you think?

**jojomcgo** · 10-06-2010, 07:59 PM

I just watched this and want to know what you guys think, two fire fighters in the towers when it happend talking about hearing bombs go off.... you have to fast forward to right @ ten min if you just want to hear them talk about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fzj7aCuSEE http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fzj7aCuSEE

**warchild** · 10-06-2010, 08:00 PM

the determination for the bombs sounds they heard were transformers/electrical boxes

**jojomcgo** · 10-06-2010, 08:03 PM

yes but they say it was in the bottom they heard it coming from under the lobby the planes hit the top???
I dont know but it make's you think..

**warchild** · 10-06-2010, 08:09 PM

yea it prb fried the electrical system like when one guys power goes out so does the guys 2 blocks down

**MACHINE5150** · 10-06-2010, 08:10 PM

i already flamed someone else for posting this garbage.. there were no bombs.. those guys just went through more in the past 30 min before this video then you or i have in our whole life... they didn't know what they were seeing

**jojomcgo** · 10-06-2010, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

i already flamed someone else for posting this garbage.. there were no bombs.. those guys just went through more in the past 30 min before this video then you or i have in our whole life... they didn't know what they were seeing

Hmmm ... any how it make's ME wonder thought it was intersting... and i have no idea what happend that day as i was not there but i will say that while im sure everything was going on very fast and every thing fire fighters, police,emt, ect are trained to react diffirent then the average joe so im not sure i would go as far as to say they didn't know what they were seeing, i will say the fact that it could be something electrical could be a possibilitie.

**warchild** · 10-06-2010, 08:20 PM

Additionally FDNY never once called for an investigation of the 343 firefighters who died on 9/11 b/c they thought it was an inside job by the U.S. govt, neither did the firefighter's family. So why are certain members here dishonoring them and their family by spreading this bvllshit? It needs to stop!

**jojomcgo** · 10-06-2010, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by warchild

Additionally FDNY never once called for an investigation of the 343 firefighters who died on 9/11 b/c they thought it was an inside job by the U.S. govt, neither did the firefighter's family. So why are certain members here dishonoring them and their family by spreading this bvllshit? It needs to stop!

That's the kind of closed mind thinking that IMO is week and uncalled for just cause you may not agree don't make you right! and FYI there has been a few familys that have asked for a investigation if you like i'll even give you a ref....

**stack_it** · 10-06-2010, 08:29 PM

I'm sure steel makes a pretty big bang when it starts bending and snapping. The electrical system would also be underneath and explode if overloaded.

Like said above the ff's had been through a lot already and the noise and chaos going on in there would have made it hard to tell where any sounds were coming from.

**MACHINE5150** · 10-06-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by jojomcgo

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That's the kind of closed mind thinking that IMO is week and uncalled for just cause you may not agree don't make you right! and FYI there has been a few familys that have asked for a investigation if you like i'll even give you a ref....

YOU ARE DISHONORING THE MEMORIES OF THOSE WHO LOST THIER LIVES THAT DAY AND FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY EVER SINCE BY BUYING INTO THIS OR EVEN SPREADING IT'S FILTH..

I am down with a sensitive conversation about many things, but i won't listen to the nut jobs who think we never landed on the moon and all this other stupid idocracy.

**stack_it** · 10-06-2010, 08:31 PM

One more thing. If a plane hits a giant steel building at the top all of that momentum and force has to travel somewhere. More than likely through all the steel straight to the basement and into the earth.

**jojomcgo** · 10-06-2010, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

YOU ARE DISHONORING THE MEMORIES OF THOSE WHO LOST THIER LIVES THAT DAY AND FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY EVER SINCE BY BUYING INTO THIS OR EVEN SPREADING IT'S FILTH..
I am down with a sensitive conversation about many things, but i won't listen to the nut jobs who think we never landed on the moon and all this other stupid idocracy.

yea i am am i , really that's why I signed up right after 9/11 and you ???? fk fgt

**jojomcgo** · 10-06-2010, 08:35 PM

Any how like i said make's me wonder ... if you listen to what they said , i mean after all they where there.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 08:41 AM

look for loose change.......the latest version.......

U guys are arguing if bombs were there or nt....here is the question for you ...why that building was emptied out a week before the incident with nothing but that time Presidents bother company( who does demolition).....Look for the custodian's interview ...Also y all the fire fighters are not covered for risking there life to save ppl???
U guys need to check alex jones before try to flame anybody on here......Also keep an open mind....u think Ex CIA operative (Osama) did it? boy arent you in for a surprise of your life....before u come flaming me check out all the documentry by alex jones on google movies.

**Swifto** · 10-07-2010, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by calgarian

look for loose change.......the latest version.......

U guys are arguing if bombs were there or nt....here is the question for you ...why that building was emptied out a week before the incident with nothing but that time Presidents bother company( who does demolition).....Look for the custodian's interview ...Also y all the fire fighters are not covered for risking there life to save ppl???
U guys need to check alex jones before try to flame anybody on here......Also keep an open mind....u think Ex CIA operative (Osama) did it? boy arent you in for a surprise of your life....before u come flaming me check out all the documentry by alex jones on google movies.

I'm watching some of them now...

**jbran23** · 10-07-2010, 09:14 AM

I watched Loose Change not too long ago on Netflix and its an eye opener. Im not saying its fact, but it brings up so many coincidences and strange things that happened leading up to 9/11 that its hard to ignore.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by jbran23

I watched Loose Change not too long ago on Netflix and its an eye opener. Im not saying its fact, but it brings up so many coincidences and strange things that happened leading up to 9/11 that its hard to ignore.

find custodians interview on you tube or google....

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'm watching some of them now...

i have never seen a guy with bigger balls then alex jones.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 09:47 AM

not related but still Alex Jones' best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

**Swifto** · 10-07-2010, 09:47 AM

I'm not sure if this nutter is all there... He's got a conspiracy for EVERYTHING!!

**DSM4Life** · 10-07-2010, 09:49 AM

Post some links cal I'll watch them. I'm curious.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Post some links cal I'll watch them. I'm curious.

i did one look up

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 09:57 AM

Loose Change

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9448192753501#

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'm not sure if this nutter is all there... He's got a conspiracy for EVERYTHING!!

if u start investigating u will realize that he is telling the truth....

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 10:00 AM

there you go DSM

http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

**Swifto** · 10-07-2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by calgarian

if u start investigating u will realize that he is telling the truth....

He has a theory for everything though. And its always twisted against the government(s).

What's his thoughts on the WTC being a demolishen job? Havent seen his thoughts...

And why have hundreds of physics experts all found that the WTC fell becuase of fire?

The Hamberg Cell (WTC Terrorists), that was all explained. Your saying their all CIA agents?

I love a conspiracy, trust me. But this fella just comes across nuts.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

He has a theory for everything though. And its always twisted against the government(s).

What's his thoughts on the WTC being a demolishen job? Havent seen his thoughts...

And why have hundreds of physics experts all found that the WTC fell becuase of fire?

The Hamberg Cell (WTC Terrorists), that was all explained. Your saying their all CIA agents?

I love a conspiracy, trust me. But this fella just comes across nuts.

I know what r u saying.....if u r after 9/11 watch loose change. Osam was a CIA operative they trained him to fight against Russians in Afghanistan. Plus from all the so called hijakers 8 of them alive and working in Saudi or Dubai....so if those guys are alive who was flying the airplanes......

**jojomcgo** · 10-07-2010, 11:07 AM

Thank god some people have good sense!!

Im not saying that any thing happend or didn't happen but with so much info out there and what i will call holes in the so called fact finding 9/11 reports... you have to wonder or least i do. I mean i don't expect that every one will agree or see it the way i do but to come on here and say i am in some way trashing the firemen is just disrespectful... i think people need to have more respect on here im a vet and i take it personal when some one say's i would trash the firemen, police ect..those that lost there lives on 9/11 IMO if something did happen that proves there is more to the story wouldn't we owe it to them to stand up for those that can't??

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by jojomcgo

Thank god some people have good sense!!

Im not saying that any thing happend or didn't happen but with so much info out there and what i will call holes in the so called fact finding 9/11 reports... you have to wonder or least i do. I mean i don't expect that every one will agree or see it the way i do but to come on here and say i am in some way trashing the firemen is just disrespectful... i think people need to have more respect on here im a vet and i take it personal when some one say's i would trash the firemen, police ect..those that lost there lives on 9/11 IMO if something did happen that proves there is more to the story wouldn't we owe it to them to stand up for those that can't??

PPL and fireman and police man did nothing wrong no one is arguing about that. It is who did it is the question......I read ur thread but i have already posted so many times regarding this matter I didnt wanna post it again but after reading some response i thought it was the time.

**Nooomoto** · 10-07-2010, 11:30 AM

1. The theories presented in Loose Change and by Alex Jones were ripped apart by Popular Mechanics AND National Geographic in two separate case studies. Both of which are available for anyone to see on the internet. I've posted links to them before in the news section. Sorry, but "guy from the internet" does not have more credibility than internationally trusted and vetted publications that have been around forever.

2. It takes MONTHS and a huge crew to properly wire a building for demolition. During the process, the building's exterior must be stripped allowing access to the skeleton of the building. Did anyone see large crews stripping down the towers? No..

3. It would require the skillset of a highly trained and specialized military unit to pull off a covert demolition of a skyscraper in the middle of NYC, not to mention more than one. The only military in the world with the resources to pull off something like that is ours. If you know anything about TOEs and the military process, an operation such as the one being presented in various theories would involve hundreds, if not thousands of American military members. Under such circumstances it would be impossible to maintain operational security. Beyond that...good luck finding that many American soldiers willing to slaughter thousands of American civilians.

These theories are ridiculous and do nothing but disgrace the memory of those who died and those who fight to avenge the deaths of those who died. If you look at the websites where these theories originate and fester, they are littered with ads selling all kinds of garbage. Books, survival supplies, DVDs, etc...this is an industry, not a quest for truth.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Nooomoto

1. The theories presented in Loose Change and by Alex Jones were ripped apart by Popular Mechanics AND National Geographic in two separate case studies. Both of which are available for anyone to see on the internet. I've posted links to them before in the news section. Sorry, but "guy from the internet" does not have more credibility than internationally trusted and vetted publications that have been around forever.

2. It takes MONTHS and a huge crew to properly wire a building for demolition. During the process, the building's exterior must be stripped allowing access to the skeleton of the building. Did anyone see large crews stripping down the towers? No..

3. It would require the skillset of a highly trained and specialized military unit to pull off a covert demolition of a skyscraper in the middle of NYC, not to mention more than one. The only military in the world with the resources to pull off something like that is ours. If you know anything about TOEs and the military process, an operation such as the one being presented in various theories would involve hundreds, if not thousands of American military members. Under such circumstances it would be impossible to maintain operational security. Beyond that...good luck finding that many American soldiers willing to slaughter thousands of American civilians.

These theories are ridiculous and do nothing but disgrace the memory of those who died and those who fight to avenge the deaths of those who died. If you look at the websites where these theories originate and fester, they are littered with ads selling all kinds of garbage. Books, survival supplies, DVDs, etc...this is an industry, not a quest for truth.

u had to bring in the human sentiment to make ppl against it..didnt u? Plus if you paid attention you will ntice that most of the family members are asking for a official investigation for 911....

oh and BTW it wasnt ripped a part i watched it on c-span ......if u want to be the guy who believe that just one air plane can bring down the whole building...well sir its ur opinion......why there were 3 blasts heared right before the trade center tower went away?

**HitIt** · 10-07-2010, 11:41 AM

**MACHINE5150** · 10-07-2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by jojomcgo

yea i am am i , really that's why I signed up right after 9/11 and you ???? fk fgt

I didn't join the military because the U.S. has not faught a just war simnce WWII. That being said, I have many friends in military (8 in totla in the military, 2 died) I had four friends of mine graduate from Annapolis at the same time back in 2005.. I would assure you that you being an enlisted member, probably wouldn't tell your C.O. of your little theory that the whole thing was a set up propogated by the U.S., government.. Next time you see someone Al Qaida or the Taliban (which you probably never will since you are most likely in the army and therefore sit on the sidelines while the Marines do all the real work), why don't you ask them if they had anything to do with this or if they were just taking credit for the U.S. Governments actions as you are implying..

**Nooomoto** · 10-07-2010, 11:43 AM

if u want to be the guy who believe that just one air plane can bring down the whole building...well sir its ur opinion.

It's also the opinon of the many mechanical engineers employed by Popular Mechanics and the people at National Geographic.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Nooomoto

It's also the opinon of the many mechanical engineers employed by Popular Mechanics and the people at National Geographic.

Fine...then care to explain why 8 of the terrorist are alive and living and working in Saudi?

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 10-07-2010, 11:56 AM

Im kinda tired of all these threads, but find them interesting nonetheless.
I think its funny how you always have your die hard Americans who throw out the "the conspiracy theorists are disrespecting the dead, blah, blah, blah." They just can't swallow the fact that their own people/government would **** them in such a way. Then again, why are you so surprised? The government is ****ing you every damn day.

I agree that some fishy stuff def happened. But for every piece that says one thing, there is another saying different.... I don't know exactly where I stand on it all. But for people so quickly to rule that there is no way in hell our own country/government would do such a thing, makes me laugh...lol

**Nooomoto** · 10-07-2010, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by calgarian

Fine...then care to explain why 8 of the terrorist are alive and living and working in Saudi?

Sure, tell them to join the forum and we can debate about it.

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Nooomoto

Sure, tell them to join the forum and we can debate about it.

u r one of the close minded guys who wouldnt listen.....i thought u would be open minded seeing u r against ur brother joining the cult group. but that wont be the first time i am wrong.....

**Swifto** · 10-07-2010, 12:33 PM

Your seriously telling me 8 of the 19 highjackers are alive and well in Saudi right now?

Dont you think they'de be going ballistic about being named etc... They would still be on terrorist watchlists aswell?

**calgarian** · 10-07-2010, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Your seriously telling me 8 of the 19 highjackers are alive and well in Saudi right now?

Dont you think they'de be going ballistic about being named etc... They would still be on terrorist watchlists aswell?

i think they says that in a loose change....they didnt tie up all the loose ends.....look up loose change or look it up on the internet.

They probably going blastic but there is no one to cover them.....media shows you and me what THEY want us to see.......One of the flights that got destroyed in 9 / 11 still listed as active in the airline's fleet

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