D-bol / Deca / Sust

[HawaiianPride.]

I'll make this brief cause I'm tired, hungry, and ready for bed!

1. You don't need HCG during your PCT. With my experience, HCG pre-PCT creates a much more efficient PCT, enabling a foundation for a much better and speedy recovery process when 2 SERMS are utilized thereafter.
2. Let's say you do this cycle anyways since I'm 99.9% sure you are regardless. What makes you think 1 SERM in conjunction with HCG will be enough to bounce you back? If an ill-side effect were to occur, how would you know what the culprit is and which compound to cut out early? Don't say you doctor will have the answer because he/she won't. You've never even tried a Test cycle, you don't know your body chemistry will react during and post when the esters have left. Thus another great reason why you should always start out with Test only.
3. You goals are to add 10lbs and shed 2% BF. I can think of a ton of other compounds that would compliment this much better than Deca and Dbol, especially at those dosages.
4. If you goals are to utilize Deca for joint pain only, you certainly don't need 400mg per week. 100mg per week will suffice for this...
5. That link you provided is crap. Any true "novice" cycle will not have a 19nor in the mix. Since you are a true novice, any "stack" is simply not needed. You are using almost 1200grams of anabolics on your first cycle, I can't imagine what your 3rd of 4th cycle will look like if you stay at this pace. Always use the least amount you can get away with while still producing effective gains to reach your goals.

[Jroid]

I'll make this brief cause I'm tired, hungry, and ready for bed!

1. You don't need HCG during your PCT. With my experience, HCG pre-PCT creates a much more efficient PCT, enabling a foundation for a much better and speedy recovery process when 2 SERMS are utilized thereafter.
2. Let's say you do this cycle anyways since I'm 99.9% sure you are regardless. What makes you think 1 SERM in conjunction with HCG will be enough to bounce you back? If an ill-side effect were to occur, how would you know what the culprit is and which compound to cut out early? Don't say you doctor will have the answer because he/she won't. You've never even tried a Test cycle, you don't know your body chemistry will react during and post when the esters have left. Thus another great reason why you should always start out with Test only.
3. You goals are to add 10lbs and shed 2% BF. I can think of a ton of other compounds that would compliment this much better than Deca and Dbol, especially at those dosages.
4. If you goals are to utilize Deca for joint pain only, you certainly don't need 400mg per week. 100mg per week will suffice for this...
5. That link you provided is crap. Any true "novice" cycle will not have a 19nor in the mix. Since you are a true novice, any "stack" is simply not needed. You are using almost 1200grams of anabolics on your first cycle, I can't imagine what your 3rd of 4th cycle will look like if you stay at this pace. Always use the least amount you can get away with while still producing effective gains to reach your goals.

This is the response I was looking for, Someone to critique me not just bash.
I mainly posted this hoping you would respond to it. I've lurked around here a bit before making an account.

canning the idea of taking clomid during the cycle. It was just an idea, I'll save it for the pct and go with .5mg of Arimidex ED. Also use it or Nolva with Clomid for the PCT.

So the Hcg would be better to pin right after I'm done the sustanol, run it for two weeks then start PCT.

Your probably right that I'll end up doing this cycle since I picked up my gear a few months ago. I don't want to be doing multiple cycles. I wanted to do a really good bulk this winter, get to where I want to be and maintain it.
205 is my minimum for goals, if I can maintain 210 that would be great.

The link was def crap. I was just looking for something quick mainly to show the pct order.

Thanks for the response