Need help getting off of TRT !!!

[Vettester]

Here's the deal ... You have been taking exogenous testosterone for about a 1-1/2 years (If I read it correctly) between the Gel and Cyp. Your test production was shutdown really bad going into it, and it's been a 1-1/2 years of continued suppression on your HPTA. I would suspect your LH/FSH levels are down to nothing, or close to. Can your natty be restored??? Who knows for sure, but I don't like your odds due to the elapsed time and circumstance ... Just being realistic, but greater obstacles have been overcome.

So, is HCG the way to go?? By itself, NO. Presuming you have no primary testicular issues, it will stimulate the natural production you are talking about, but it will only last as long as you keep medicating with it. In essence, it will mimic the LH signal to your testicles, but the bio LH in the pituitary gland will still be non existent. A product like Clomid would be a better choice to get that working.

Prior to any of that, I'd make sure that there's no pituitary conditions (MRI) and primary testicular issues that would prevent your attempt, or possibly do any further harm. You may have already gone through these procedures, and if so can you let us know your results?

BTW ... Your doctor is having you slowly taper your injection dosages? All that will do is slowly lower your test serum level. It won't have any relevance on your natural levels. He wants to know how you will feel? Any experience would tell him that you will crash. I presume that's how he works people off of anti-depressants.

Good luck!

[Bio-Active]

Here's the deal ... You have been taking exogenous testosterone for about a 1-1/2 years (If I read it correctly) between the Gel and Cyp. Your test production was shutdown really bad going into it, and it's been a 1-1/2 years of continued suppression on your HPTA. I would suspect your LH/FSH levels are down to nothing, or close to. Can your natty be restored??? Who knows for sure, but I don't like your odds due to the elapsed time and circumstance ... Just being realistic, but greater obstacles have been overcome.

So, is HCG the way to go?? By itself, NO. Presuming you have no primary testicular issues, it will stimulate the natural production you are talking about, but it will only last as long as you keep medicating with it. In essence, it will mimic the LH signal to your testicles, but the bio LH in the pituitary gland will still be non existent. A product like Clomid would be a better choice to get that working.

Prior to any of that, I'd make sure that there's no pituitary conditions (MRI) and primary testicular issues that would prevent your attempt, or possibly do any further harm. You may have already gone through these procedures, and if so can you let us know your results?

BTW ... Your doctor is having you slowly taper your injection dosages? All that will do is slowly lower your test serum level. It won't have any relevance on your natural levels. He wants to know how you will feel? Any experience would tell him that you will crash. I presume that's how he works people off of anti-depressants.

Good luck!

I like everything Vette has to say here! His advice is always solid. The only compounds I would add to the mix is Tamox or Nolva with the clomid after you have stopped the HCG. You are going to a pretty high dose of HCG to get the boys up and running again so you may need Aromasin or Arimidex While using the HCG. Swifto has some great protocols for restoring the natural Test production for those that have been on for very long periods of time over in the PCT section! Best of luck JIM

[nano77]

I like everything Vette has to say here! His advice is always solid. The only compounds I would add to the mix is Tamox or Nolva with the clomid after you have stopped the HCG. You are going to a pretty high dose of HCG to get the boys up and running again so you may need Aromasin or Arimidex While using the HCG. Swifto has some great protocols for restoring the natural Test production for those that have been on for very long periods of time over in the PCT section! Best of luck JIM

Swifto has some very good info. I really like the info on Naltrexone being used in place of HCG. Because of being a recent opiate addiact I already have Naltrexone. It blocks all opates from working therefore they give it to people addited to opiates. That make total sence. Thats what got me in this mess. Opiates lower the natural production of test and Naltrexone is a opiate antagonist....the complete opposite. That would only make sence that would rasie natural test levels.

posted by swifto

Naltrexone.

It has the ability to fool the Hypothalamus into continuing to secrete GnRH. This when signals the Pituitary to secrete LH/FSH and the Testes (Leydig cells), Testosterone. EVEN when using androgens!

I'm using it next cycle, in place of HCG as I've read some very intresting reviews on it, aswell as articles here and elsewhere.

You should use a dosage or around 5mg/wk, split up throughout. User's are experiencing NO testicular atrophy at all. This would mean GnRH is still being produced. This would mean PCT is a breaze. Some havent even needed a PCT. I'm not suggesting that, but there are some who havent needed a PCT.

You can also take Triptorelin Acetate which is GnRH agonist and will increase the amount of GnRH the body will produce. Helping futher with recovery. 100mcg/ED is the dosing protocol I have seen suggested. With the combination of Naltrexone/Triptorelin, one may be able to totally avoid HPTA shutdown.

One thing I will add is that, Naltrexone is not for everyone. It makes alot of people feel bad, so cannot be used. I have seen doses of 5-10mg/wk suggested and as much as 25-50mg/ED suggested, both by doctors. Naltrexone is a long active opoid antagonist given to heroin addicts. There is also no known clinical data on it maintaining GnRH when taking exogenous hormones (steroids) at bodybuilding doses.

If Naltrexone isnt for you, HCG or HMG are very good alternatives and will maintain endogenous testosterone, even when taking exogenous hormones and prevent further testicular dysfunction. Some still argue this is better than Naltrexone.