1st cycle suggested by professional coach/ex-pro bodybuilder

[rmalouf]

ok. so heres what i think im going to do:

10 week cycle
test e 600mg/week
deca 400mg/week

pct
pregnil 5000iu/week for 3 weeks
clomid 100mg/day for 5 days then 50mg/day till the end of the third week
proviron 50mg/day for 3 weeks

any comments or advice is welcome!!!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

ok. so heres what i think im going to do:

10 week cycle
test e 600mg/week
deca 400mg/week

pct
pregnil 5000iu/week for 3 weeks
clomid 100mg/day for 5 days then 50mg/day till the end of the third week
proviron 50mg/day for 3 weeks

any comments or advice is welcome!!!

yea. don't fukcing take deca!

[arshigtx]

Tren is never a good idea, unless you have some cycles already under your belt.

[Kdub]

Judging from your stats it appears you have great genetics my friend. You don't need the Deca and can cut the Test to 500 mg per week. I am positive you will grow very well off 350 mgs per week of Test. So many guys on here are coming back to lower doses and report excellent gains after 1+ gram a week test usage.

I was in your exact position when I was 23 and pursued pro bbing to Australia. You can read my first threads to see how we are/were similar. I wish I had the assistance of this forum back then. I went about it the WRONG WAY.

If pro bbing is the way you want to go then you need to set goals and look at future cycles. 10 weeks is ok for you first cycle but if pro bbing is what you really want then Burst cycling and Priming is the way to go. Of all the cycles I have done each one saw a halt to the gains after 30 days. Marcus is the guy to contact and read his threads. Yates used Prime/Burst method.

So many compound to use and you are many cycles away from a pro card.

Test 350 mg/wk - 10 weeks: You are VERY likely to add 30 lbs and keep at least 20. If you also use Deca you might add, what, 3-5 lbs?

Test / Dbol - 30 days Burst: Another 10 lbs

Test/ Deca (NPP) - Burst: Another 10 lbs

Test/ Drol - Burst: 10 lbs

Test/ NPP/ Dbol or Drol - Burst: 10 lbs.

Test/ Tren - Burst: 10 lbs

Test/ Tren/ Winstrol or other DHT like Drol or Primo - Burst: 10 lbs

280 lbs now? 18 months later? Maxed out on AAS? Add HGH. And you are only 25 at this point and have FOUND OUT WHAT COMPOUNDS WORK BEST FOR YOU including PCT - strength, duration to bring you back.

Keep detailed records of results and of course with your food intake as well. 4.5 years of training is really short and your muscle maturity is lacking. I had 11 years lifting before I went to Aussie to pursue pro bbing at 23.

Look at the threads from Tai Boxia. He is a big fan of 200-250 mg/wk of Test but way higher anabolic dosage and making sure there is a tes/nor-19/dht combo in his cycles but this is for down the road.

Patience and long-term planning is what I wish I had along with way more knowledge. Experimentation is key and keeping records which it appears you are able to do with your background. I learned that my body responds way better to Test C then Prop and with Prop, 100mg/ml better than 50mg/ml. NPP is simply incredible and I'll take Dbol over Drol everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. I also discovered long before I cycled that Clen is a wonder drug for me. I found out that Clen + Creatine + High Calorie Weight Gainer pumps me up and fills me out very similar to being on cycle. I have written a few threads about Clen.

One day I banged in 24 ml of Prop/Enan just to see what would happen. 8 injections that morning (sounds like something BJJ would love - lol) 2 days later I was completely out of breath walking up a flight of 14 stairs and took 2-3 minutes to catch my breath. The next few days after that were difficult. I did squats and swear I could bounce off the bottom just from the pump like a trampoline. The pump was too much. and for a week I felt like GOD... lol.

So many variables and you're just about to begin your journey. The Chinese say that every journey begins with a single step. The advice from your trainer/ex-pro does have value. We know this because the methods he used got him a pro card but perhaps what worked for him will not work for you. Yates said he wrote down EVERYTHING HE DID in his log book; food, exercises, weights and of course compounds and he has 6 in a row to show for it. He use HIT training as well... little training with LOTS of rest.

It is better off being your own guinea pig and being the tortoise rather than the hare. Pro card could be 5 years away and Mr. O another 5-8 after that. Have you any idea how many cycles this is (and injections) and how many meals and massage/therapies, etc...? Cutler gets a minimum of 3 massages a week along with other therapies, chiro, etc...

Hope this helps. PM me if you like.

[ottomaddox]

How old are you?, and I wouldn't be very proud of that, it's irresponsible behaivor.

One day I banged in 24 ml of Prop/Enan just to see what would happen. 8 injections that morning (sounds like something BJJ would love - lol) 2 days later I was completely out of breath walking up a flight of 14 stairs and took 2-3 minutes to catch my breath. The next few days after that were difficult. I did squats and swear I could bounce off the bottom just from the pump like a trampoline. The pump was too much. and for a week I felt like GOD... lol.

[Kdub]

ottomaddox,

Almost as old as you. Who said anything about being proud of what I did years ago on one particular day? Irresponsible behavior? Not at all.

And why would I be proud of that (24 ml in a day)? What gave you that impression? I was sharing an experiment I performed including the results. The results were more doesn't mean better and have passed this finding on to the OP. Legs were incredibly pumped up just climbing stairs. If you are coming from the view point that 24 ml a day is dangerous you have assumed way too much.

Have you assumed that prop was 100 mg/ml and enan was 250 mg/ml? In truth, prop was 100 mg/ml but enan was only 75 mg/ml bringing the total up to 1800 mgs. Have no clue why you make such a statement unless you think 1,800 mgs of Test in one day and one day only is "harmful to my health" but maybe you didn't know it was only 1800 mgs.

And are you also assuming that seeing I acted so "irresponsibly" that I must be immature and therefore young and the reason why you ask for my age so you can put the 3 together and prove some kind of a point?

Cheers mate.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Amazing post. Thanks for a good read!

Judging from your stats it appears you have great genetics my friend. You don't need the Deca and can cut the Test to 500 mg per week. I am positive you will grow very well off 350 mgs per week of Test. So many guys on here are coming back to lower doses and report excellent gains after 1+ gram a week test usage.

I was in your exact position when I was 23 and pursued pro bbing to Australia. You can read my first threads to see how we are/were similar. I wish I had the assistance of this forum back then. I went about it the WRONG WAY.

If pro bbing is the way you want to go then you need to set goals and look at future cycles. 10 weeks is ok for you first cycle but if pro bbing is what you really want then Burst cycling and Priming is the way to go. Of all the cycles I have done each one saw a halt to the gains after 30 days. Marcus is the guy to contact and read his threads. Yates used Prime/Burst method.

So many compound to use and you are many cycles away from a pro card.

Test 350 mg/wk - 10 weeks: You are VERY likely to add 30 lbs and keep at least 20. If you also use Deca you might add, what, 3-5 lbs?

Test / Dbol - 30 days Burst: Another 10 lbs

Test/ Deca (NPP) - Burst: Another 10 lbs

Test/ Drol - Burst: 10 lbs

Test/ NPP/ Dbol or Drol - Burst: 10 lbs.

Test/ Tren - Burst: 10 lbs

Test/ Tren/ Winstrol or other DHT like Drol or Primo - Burst: 10 lbs

280 lbs now? 18 months later? Maxed out on AAS? Add HGH. And you are only 25 at this point and have FOUND OUT WHAT COMPOUNDS WORK BEST FOR YOU including PCT - strength, duration to bring you back.

Keep detailed records of results and of course with your food intake as well. 4.5 years of training is really short and your muscle maturity is lacking. I had 11 years lifting before I went to Aussie to pursue pro bbing at 23.

Look at the threads from Tai Boxia. He is a big fan of 200-250 mg/wk of Test but way higher anabolic dosage and making sure there is a tes/nor-19/dht combo in his cycles but this is for down the road.

Patience and long-term planning is what I wish I had along with way more knowledge. Experimentation is key and keeping records which it appears you are able to do with your background. I learned that my body responds way better to Test C then Prop and with Prop, 100mg/ml better than 50mg/ml. NPP is simply incredible and I'll take Dbol over Drol everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. I also discovered long before I cycled that Clen is a wonder drug for me. I found out that Clen + Creatine + High Calorie Weight Gainer pumps me up and fills me out very similar to being on cycle. I have written a few threads about Clen.

One day I banged in 24 ml of Prop/Enan just to see what would happen. 8 injections that morning (sounds like something BJJ would love - lol) 2 days later I was completely out of breath walking up a flight of 14 stairs and took 2-3 minutes to catch my breath. The next few days after that were difficult. I did squats and swear I could bounce off the bottom just from the pump like a trampoline. The pump was too much. and for a week I felt like GOD... lol.

So many variables and you're just about to begin your journey. The Chinese say that every journey begins with a single step. The advice from your trainer/ex-pro does have value. We know this because the methods he used got him a pro card but perhaps what worked for him will not work for you. Yates said he wrote down EVERYTHING HE DID in his log book; food, exercises, weights and of course compounds and he has 6 in a row to show for it. He use HIT training as well... little training with LOTS of rest.

It is better off being your own guinea pig and being the tortoise rather than the hare. Pro card could be 5 years away and Mr. O another 5-8 after that. Have you any idea how many cycles this is (and injections) and how many meals and massage/therapies, etc...? Cutler gets a minimum of 3 massages a week along with other therapies, chiro, etc...

Hope this helps. PM me if you like.

[rmalouf]

Judging from your stats it appears you have great genetics my friend. You don't need the Deca and can cut the Test to 500 mg per week. I am positive you will grow very well off 350 mgs per week of Test. So many guys on here are coming back to lower doses and report excellent gains after 1+ gram a week test usage.

I was in your exact position when I was 23 and pursued pro bbing to Australia. You can read my first threads to see how we are/were similar. I wish I had the assistance of this forum back then. I went about it the WRONG WAY.

If pro bbing is the way you want to go then you need to set goals and look at future cycles. 10 weeks is ok for you first cycle but if pro bbing is what you really want then Burst cycling and Priming is the way to go. Of all the cycles I have done each one saw a halt to the gains after 30 days. Marcus is the guy to contact and read his threads. Yates used Prime/Burst method.

So many compound to use and you are many cycles away from a pro card.

Test 350 mg/wk - 10 weeks: You are VERY likely to add 30 lbs and keep at least 20. If you also use Deca you might add, what, 3-5 lbs?

Test / Dbol - 30 days Burst: Another 10 lbs

Test/ Deca (NPP) - Burst: Another 10 lbs

Test/ Drol - Burst: 10 lbs

Test/ NPP/ Dbol or Drol - Burst: 10 lbs.

Test/ Tren - Burst: 10 lbs

Test/ Tren/ Winstrol or other DHT like Drol or Primo - Burst: 10 lbs

280 lbs now? 18 months later? Maxed out on AAS? Add HGH. And you are only 25 at this point and have FOUND OUT WHAT COMPOUNDS WORK BEST FOR YOU including PCT - strength, duration to bring you back.

Keep detailed records of results and of course with your food intake as well. 4.5 years of training is really short and your muscle maturity is lacking. I had 11 years lifting before I went to Aussie to pursue pro bbing at 23.

Look at the threads from Tai Boxia. He is a big fan of 200-250 mg/wk of Test but way higher anabolic dosage and making sure there is a tes/nor-19/dht combo in his cycles but this is for down the road.

Patience and long-term planning is what I wish I had along with way more knowledge. Experimentation is key and keeping records which it appears you are able to do with your background. I learned that my body responds way better to Test C then Prop and with Prop, 100mg/ml better than 50mg/ml. NPP is simply incredible and I'll take Dbol over Drol everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. I also discovered long before I cycled that Clen is a wonder drug for me. I found out that Clen + Creatine + High Calorie Weight Gainer pumps me up and fills me out very similar to being on cycle. I have written a few threads about Clen.

One day I banged in 24 ml of Prop/Enan just to see what would happen. 8 injections that morning (sounds like something BJJ would love - lol) 2 days later I was completely out of breath walking up a flight of 14 stairs and took 2-3 minutes to catch my breath. The next few days after that were difficult. I did squats and swear I could bounce off the bottom just from the pump like a trampoline. The pump was too much. and for a week I felt like GOD... lol.

So many variables and you're just about to begin your journey. The Chinese say that every journey begins with a single step. The advice from your trainer/ex-pro does have value. We know this because the methods he used got him a pro card but perhaps what worked for him will not work for you. Yates said he wrote down EVERYTHING HE DID in his log book; food, exercises, weights and of course compounds and he has 6 in a row to show for it. He use HIT training as well... little training with LOTS of rest.

It is better off being your own guinea pig and being the tortoise rather than the hare. Pro card could be 5 years away and Mr. O another 5-8 after that. Have you any idea how many cycles this is (and injections) and how many meals and massage/therapies, etc...? Cutler gets a minimum of 3 massages a week along with other therapies, chiro, etc...

Hope this helps. PM me if you like.

first off, THANKS!!! i appreciate you taking the time to give me some sincere adivce.

and yes, i want to go the road of pro bodybuilding, its just something that i love and would be ashamed of myself in the future if i didnt give it all i had. and ur probably right about burst cycles and such, but i dont know enough about that yet to even consider it, though im sure ill get to that soon. I have heard alot of opinions from bodybuilders strength coaches and such and you wouldnt believe how different in suggestion is!!!! ive decided with the test and deca. It may not be by the books but i just have a gut feeling that this will work for me (dont ask me how, i just do). Whatever happens this will be a learning experience for me more than anything. and ill most likely keep a log for you all to see and comment and give advice if needed as i go through the cycle. Start date is this monday unless smething comes up. I would appreciate any last tips or advice on the cycle/pct or supplements or anything else!!! Thank you all for your help!!!!

Rob