Hypogonadism

[CraigWatts]

Interesting - actually let me ask this a different way. Im reading about these PCT guys who take Clomid "because their T levels are at about 490" and it raises their levels to about "800" ....

But these guys are taking it to kickstart their natural production. These guys dont go *BACK* to 490 after they stop Clomid. The whole point is to get it going agian, then STOP taking clomid, and enjoy their NORMAL "800" right?

So someone like me who slowly dips back down to 450 after stopping clomid - has an issue - am i correct?

Im not like those other guys - normal dudes - who can take it to get themselves back to *THEIR* norm which is 800 ...

Im the guy who can't maintain 800 without clomid.

Thats hypogonadism isnt it? I know im not at 200 .... but 450 is crap .... isnt it ... ?

[Vettester]

Interesting - actually let me ask this a different way. Im reading about these PCT guys who take Clomid "because their T levels are at about 490" and it raises their levels to about "800" ....

But these guys are taking it to kickstart their natural production. These guys dont go *BACK* to 490 after they stop Clomid. The whole point is to get it going agian, then STOP taking clomid, and enjoy their NORMAL "800" right?

So someone like me who slowly dips back down to 450 after stopping clomid - has an issue - am i correct?

Im not like those other guys - normal dudes - who can take it to get themselves back to *THEIR* norm which is 800 ...

Im the guy who can't maintain 800 without clomid.

Thats hypogonadism isnt it? I know im not at 200 .... but 450 is crap .... isnt it ... ?

You are correct ... Guys will take Clomid to restart their natural level to the range it was at pre-cycle. Their HPTA gets suppressed during the cycle, but a proper PCT will usually help restore things back to the original condition, well most of the time anyway.

I don't think too many physicians will indicate your condition as hypogonadism. Usually, the criteria is having a score that is less than their reference ranges (and there's several out there), most are <280.

However, that doesn't negate your situation and desire to achieve the upper 1/3 of the reference range. I don't know much about you, but if you're absolutely content with achieving this goal, I'd suggest doing it with a little exogenous test, and a little HCG a few times per week. This will take care of your desire to achieve the upper limits, and it will help keep some steady production with the testicles. However, your low LH & semi low test score will drop even lower, and the treatment is for the long-haul.

If that is your objective, I would present it to your doctor and design a plan to get you in the range you desire. Keep in mind that other sides will probably follow, increased E2, acne, oily skin, etc., you will want to keep a close eye on your lab work results as you get acclimated to this type of regiment. Hope this helps!