Some advice needed prior to first cycle

[MACHINE5150]

regardless of age i think that you can gain another 10-15lbs naturally in the next year if you get your diet down.. you are over six foot tall and only weigh 185lbs.. granted you ave a lower than average BF, you should still be able to get to 200lbs by getting a proper diet down. If for no other reason than to prove us wrong, post up your sample diet on a work out day with your BMR and TDEE (google bmr calculator).. break down grams of protein, fat and carbs and total calories.. you can find all that info on nutrionaldata dot com.. take thirty or forty five minutes to do this and we will take three times that to critique your diet...

The reason i am saying this is this.. I would say almost 24 you might be alright to do AAS, and even that it might be okay to stack compounds, but you will lose everything you gain with in a couple months if you do not have your diet down correctly.. you need to eat properly.. if you look at the natural competitors you will see how huge they get with food and training alone.. I am not knocking you, but my brother is that size and he hasn't lifted a weight in his life.. Diet is more important than training and AAS combined..

[OldManRiver]

regardless of age i think that you can gain another 10-15lbs naturally in the next year if you get your diet down.. you are over six foot tall and only weigh 185lbs.. granted you ave a lower than average BF, you should still be able to get to 200lbs by getting a proper diet down. If for no other reason than to prove us wrong, post up your sample diet on a work out day with your BMR and TDEE (google bmr calculator).. break down grams of protein, fat and carbs and total calories.. you can find all that info on nutrionaldata dot com.. take thirty or forty five minutes to do this and we will take three times that to critique your diet...

The reason i am saying this is this.. I would say almost 24 you might be alright to do AAS, and even that it might be okay to stack compounds, but you will lose everything you gain with in a couple months if you do not have your diet down correctly.. you need to eat properly.. if you look at the natural competitors you will see how huge they get with food and training alone.. I am not knocking you, but my brother is that size and he hasn't lifted a weight in his life.. Diet is more important than training and AAS combined..

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Hey Joe, it seems you have recieved all the advice I would havE given you, and the consenus is that there is still room for improvement naturally. Just have some patience and wait a couple years. Just do a TON of research in the meantime and become extremely knowledgable on aas. You will thank us all in the long run. 

[joe doe]

"regardless of age i think that you can gain another 10-15lbs naturally in the next year if you get your diet down.. you are over six foot tall and only weigh 185lbs.. granted you ave a lower than average BF, you should still be able to get to 200lbs by getting a proper diet down. If for no other reason than to prove us wrong, post up your sample diet on a work out day with your BMR and TDEE (google bmr calculator).. break down grams of protein, fat and carbs and total calories.. you can find all that info on nutrionaldata dot com.. take thirty or forty five minutes to do this and we will take three times that to critique your diet...

The reason i am saying this is this.. I would say almost 24 you might be alright to do AAS, and even that it might be okay to stack compounds, but you will lose everything you gain with in a couple months if you do not have your diet down correctly.. you need to eat properly.. if you look at the natural competitors you will see how huge they get with food and training alone.. I am not knocking you, but my brother is that size and he hasn't lifted a weight in his life.. Diet is more important than training and AAS combined.. "



I agree with you that diet is everything. Since you seem to make some constructive points i went and typed over one of the diets that i try to follow:


Food Amount Protein (g) Carbs (g) Fat (g) Kcal

breakfast Eggs 50g 6.2 0 5.1 71.5
oats (large, raw) 100g 13 61 7 370
Milk 3dl 9.9 14.1 4.5 138
banana 1 1.1 18.1 0.3 83
whey protein 60g 48.3 9 2.7 233

Lunch ground beef 200g 36 0 13 380
pasta 100g 12 76 1.5 370


snack random fruit


dinner chicken filet 200g 55.8 0 2.6 246
pasta 150g 18 114 2.25 555


post-workout whey protein 60g 48.3 9 2.7 233
supplement oats (large, raw) 100g 13 61 7 370
milk 3dl 9.9 14.1 4.5 138


2nd dinner Salmon 150g 31.8 4.2 13.8 268.5
rice 100g 7.5 79.5 0.7 354


pre-sleep casein protein 25g 21.5 0.45 0.9 90
supplement oats (large, raw) 50g 6.5 30.5 3.5 185
(optional) milk 2dl 9.9 14.1 4.5 138

protein carbs fat Kcal
Grand total 348.7 505.05 76.55 4223
BMR: 2027.35
TDEE: 3142

I also take supplements of omega 3, and throw a fruit or to into the diet schedule randomly as i see nescesary.

Now ofcourse i would be lying if i said i have followed this diet like a religion during the course of the years ive been lifting. i can however say that i have spent most of the time on this diet (or one very similar) Around this time last year i was at bout 194lbs. i did however have a far higher body fat percentage then i do now, so i swithced my training regimens to include some moderately intensive cardio aswell as cutting back on the calories abit. i did this to see how fast i could get rid of the subdermal layers of fat and gain some better definition. In about 3 months i was down to aprox 180 lbs. since then i have been careful with going up to much i weight to fast.

You say that i could go up some 15 lbs naturally in a year. And you are right.. in a way.. i could easily increase my bodyweight by 15 lbs and then some by changing my workouts and maybe upping the amounts on that diet a notch. but those 15 lbs will not be muscle mass as you must know, it will be maybe 5-6 lbs muscles (this under optimal coditions, as you know, there are genetic limits to how much lean mass one can gain per year naturally) and the rest will be fat. Now as far as i am concerned AAS are a tool like any other and cyclng can help me gain that lean muscle mass alot faster. Since i am no stranger to diets and diet plans, i am reasonably confident i could keep most of my gains post cycle.