HGH vs. AAS

[Van Suka]

I have been reading a bit about HGH today and I must say, I'm impressed. It seems as though there is a ton of hype out there however. Oral sprays that claim to work miracles for example. I also have read some testimony in regards to how HGH can reduce water retention when compared to AAS.

I have also read a number of sources that discuss the cons for AAS, more specifically, lost gains post cycle. I understand that PCT will help keep some of the gains, but how much of the gains are truly lost?

The last thing I want top have happen to me after my very first cycle is to lose a significant amount of my gains after spending a bunch of money.

Anyone out there tried HGH as an alternative and have experienced better results?

[Solidarity]

I have been reading a bit about HGH today and I must say, I'm impressed. It seems as though there is a ton of hype out there however. Oral sprays that claim to work miracles for example. I also have read some testimony in regards to how HGH can reduce water retention when compared to AAS.

I have also read a number of sources that discuss the cons for AAS, more specifically, lost gains post cycle. I understand that PCT will help keep some of the gains, but how much of the gains are truly lost?

The last thing I want top have happen to me after my very first cycle is to lose a significant amount of my gains after spending a bunch of money.

Anyone out there tried HGH as an alternative and have experienced better results?

HGH should be used in conjunction with AAS. HGH on it's own isn't going to give you great results, not to mention how much expensive it is.

When hypertrophy starts slowing down being natural you turn to aas, when hypertrophy starts slowing down on aas you turn to HGH.

HGH without aas is kind of like insulin without HGH. No point.

If you train right and eat right you should be able to keep most of your gains after pct, it is only once you are much past your genetic potential that you start losing alot of your gains when cycling, which is the point when you have to decide whether you ever want to come off.

If you are worried about water retention then you should use an AI.

[SlimmerMe]

HI! Some members have tried HGH but I would guess the majority have not. If you want to get HGH input specifically, you might want to post this thread in the IGF-1 HGH Insulin forum.

[Van Suka]

HGH should be used in conjunction with AAS. HGH on it's own isn't going to give you great results, not to mention how much expensive it is.

When hypertrophy starts slowing down being natural you turn to aas, when hypertrophy starts slowing down on aas you turn to HGH.

HGH without aas is kind of like insulin without HGH. No point.

If you train right and eat right you should be able to keep most of your gains after pct, it is only once you are much past your genetic potential that you start losing alot of your gains when cycling, which is the point when you have to decide whether you ever want to come off.

If you are worried about water retention then you should use an AI.

My apologies, what is AI again? So much information in my brain over the last 3 days.

[Solidarity]

My apologies, what is AI again? So much information in my brain over the last 3 days.

aromatase inhibitor

Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen.

Helps prevent Gyno and other estrogen related sides such as water bloat.

[Van Suka]

aromatase inhibitor

Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen.

Helps prevent Gyno and other estrogen related sides such as water bloat.

Oh, right. So products like Nolvadex and Clomid, I believe.

[Matt Rock]

Oh, right. So products like Nolvadex and Clomid, I believe.

No dude, products like Arimidex, Aromasin and Letro.

You are citing Anti-Estrogens.

[pwnflow]

Oh, right. So products like Nolvadex and Clomid, I believe.

Those are SERMs. AI is like letro, asin, adex, etc. They are stronger than SERMs.

Forget about HGH bro. That's for way too advance cycle. Plus expensive as hell.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Insulin with out hGH works very well, just harder to keep lean. Its the most anabolic hormone a person can use. hGH with out aas will also work well for lean keepable gains and for anti-aging purposes.

HGH without aas is kind of like insulin without HGH. No point.

For the OP, I do not recommend hGH or slin to you as you seem to just be starting out. If you would let us know your stats? Age, hight, weight, bodyfat, training experience ect....This will go a long way to see what the best cycle advice if any we could give.

[dec11]

Those are SERMs. AI is like letro, asin, adex, etc. They are stronger than SERMs.

Forget about HGH bro. That's for way too advance cycle. Plus expensive as hell.

this is inaccurate, depends on how much gh is being used and what the exact goals are

[pwnflow]

this is inaccurate, depends on how much gh is being used and what the exact goals are

Hmm yeah come to think about it, it can be used in beginner cycles depending on goals. But seems too much of a fush. AAS and support can be complicating enough without messing around with hgh.

[dec11]

Hmm yeah come to think about it, it can be used in beginner cycles depending on goals. But seems too much of a fush. AAS and support can be complicating enough without messing around with hgh.

hgh is simple, inject everyday and no anciliaries or pcts to worry about

[Ashop]

Stacked together they work incredibly well. HGH on it own the results are subtle and mild. Mostly fat loss.

[Van Suka]

Those are SERMs. AI is like letro, asin, adex, etc. They are stronger than SERMs.

Forget about HGH bro. That's for way too advance cycle. Plus expensive as hell.

It's coming together now (I think)....I'm not looking to use HGH right now, or ever for that matter; I was just curious. So what you're saying is...for PCT, one needs a SERM (unless gyno is evident early, thus Nolvadex may be taken if signs are present) and an AI to kick start the gonads in order to reduce aromatase, which is responsible for reducing protein synthesis, allow for increase in estrogen and in turn lead to muscle loss?

[CMB]

It's coming together now (I think)....I'm not looking to use HGH right now, or ever for that matter; I was just curious. So what you're saying is...for PCT, one needs a SERM (unless gyno is evident early, thus Nolvadex may be taken if signs are present) and an AI to kick start the gonads in order to reduce aromatase, which is responsible for reducing protein synthesis, allow for increase in estrogen and in turn lead to muscle loss?

For pct, you use SERMs to kickstart your balls and increase your natural testosterone level back to baseline or above.

AIs are mainly used on cycle for estrogen related sides, however, they too result in an increase of natural testosterone. Although, SERMs should be used instead of AIs for pct.

If you see gyno is occuring on your cycle, you can start an AI (really you should have already been running one) or double the dose that you were previously taking.

Coming together?

[Van Suka]

For pct, you use SERMs to kickstart your balls and increase your natural testosterone level back to baseline or above.

AIs are mainly used on cycle for estrogen related sides, however, they too result in an increase of natural testosterone. Although, SERMs should be used instead of AIs for pct.

If you see gyno is occuring on your cycle, you can start an AI (really you should have already been running one) or double the dose that you were previously taking.

Coming together?

Coming together nicely.... thanks CMB!

[pwnflow]

It's coming together now (I think)....I'm not looking to use HGH right now, or ever for that matter; I was just curious. So what you're saying is...for PCT, one needs a SERM (unless gyno is evident early, thus Nolvadex may be taken if signs are present) and an AI to kick start the gonads in order to reduce aromatase, which is responsible for reducing protein synthesis, allow for increase in estrogen and in turn lead to muscle loss?

Yeah what CMB said. Usually SERMs is used for pct while AI is used for the cycle, but they are interchangeable. AIs are stronger so they are preferred over SERMs when you have exogenous test in your body. After the cycle you only need to worry about the excess estrogen and not the excess test so SERMs gets the job done. Also AIs are harsher on your lipids than SERMs.

[pwnflow]

It's coming together now (I think)....I'm not looking to use HGH right now, or ever for that matter; I was just curious. So what you're saying is...for PCT, one needs a SERM (unless gyno is evident early, thus Nolvadex may be taken if signs are present) and an AI to kick start the gonads in order to reduce aromatase, which is responsible for reducing protein synthesis, allow for increase in estrogen and in turn lead to muscle loss?

Yeah what CMB said. Usually SERMs is used for pct while AI is used for the cycle, but they are interchangeable. AIs are stronger so they are preferred over SERMs when you have exogenous test in your body. After the cycle you only need to worry about the excess estrogen and not the excess test so SERMs gets the job done. Also AIs are harsher on your lipids than SERMs.