Club bans metro-sexual attire

[Twist]

Sounds about like where i worked once except it was more based on race. I was the door guy at a club and the owner told me to not let in anyone in really baggy clothes. He then proceeded to whisper pretty much if they are black dont let them in.

Well i am in no way racist and didnt want to do that. So i start letting everyone through and he comes up and chews me out about it. For the next two months i worked there i was having to turn down people based on the color of their skin and it really pissed me off. I would get into to arguments with guys because they said i was racist since white guys would come in dressed the same way. It sucked. The owner was Albanian and would let any Albanian come in dressed how they wanted.

Looking back now im mad at myself for not quitting sooner

You could have sued.

I would like to state that I am not racist, sexist, homophobic etc... But I can't understand why the government is allowed to tell people who they have to let onto their private property. In DSM's comments above, if I had a rule that said no baseball caps and someone (no matter who) wanted to come in with a baseball cap, and I wasn't there to personally approve it, I would not want that person let in. If some asshole doesn't want black/white/hispanic, or whatever race, on his property then why should someone say that he has to let them in? I would say do what you want, but people should make the right decision on where to go with their business.
If it is a publicly traded company or it is something necessary like a grocery store or pharmacy or something, then everyone should be let in.

Wondering what everyones thoughts are on this.

[Flagg]

You could have sued.

I would like to state that I am not racist, sexist, homophobic etc... But I can't understand why the government is allowed to tell people who they have to let onto their private property. In DSM's comments above, if I had a rule that said no baseball caps and someone (no matter who) wanted to come in with a baseball cap, and I wasn't there to personally approve it, I would not want that person let in. If some asshole doesn't want black/white/hispanic, or whatever race, on his property then why should someone say that he has to let them in? I would say do what you want, but people should make the right decision on where to go with their business.
If it is a publicly traded company or it is something necessary like a grocery store or pharmacy or something, then everyone should be let in.

Wondering what everyones thoughts are on this.

The only difference with the Albanian guy, is that he is saying his reason for not letting in black people was based on their baggy clothing, regardless of any white people wearing the same. Never in a million years is he going to say "No black people". It's a shame because he is just a massive racists and a liar.

I agree though, the Government should have NO RIGHT to tell you who you can and cant let in, however im pretty sure that Albanian guy could have been fined at the very least, unless he could have catagorically stated why black people shouldnt be let into his club. He clearly wouldnt be and its all about his prejustices, if it was any other reason then he'd have been boldly able to say :"No Black People". He clearly knows its wrong.

EDIT: Not to sound patronising, but some of you are trying to equate a dress code, no matter how bizarre, to racism. Racism and dress codes are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS and trying to find a similarity is just the kind of the thing the rabble rousing media like to do. If someone is racist, they are racist and thats it. Society today says that racism is wrong, and rightfully so, however people will always look for a more "sociably" acceptable reason to subjugate someone of a different race, because they know racism is not acceptable.

I really dont see what race and this business in Perth banning metrosexual dress code has to do with one another. It's like "race" has become the new Godwin argument, whereby any debate, left to go on long enough, will invariably come back to Hitler and Jews, killing all credibility of the argument.

[DSM4Life]

The only difference with the Albanian guy, is that he is saying his reason for not letting in black people was based on their baggy clothing, regardless of any white people wearing the same. Never in a million years is he going to say "No black people". It's a shame because he is just a massive racists and a liar.

I agree though, the Government should have NO RIGHT to tell you who you can and cant let in, however im pretty sure that Albanian guy could have been fined at the very least, unless he could have catagorically stated why black people shouldnt be let into his club. He clearly wouldnt be and its all about his prejustices, if it was any other reason then he'd have been boldly able to say :"No Black People". He clearly knows its wrong.

EDIT: Not to sound patronising, but some of you are trying to equate a dress code, no matter how bizarre, to racism. Racism and dress codes are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS and trying to find a similarity is just the kind of the thing the rabble rousing media like to do. If someone is racist, they are racist and thats it. Society today says that racism is wrong, and rightfully so, however people will always look for a more "sociably" acceptable reason to subjugate someone of a different race, because they know racism is not acceptable.

I really dont see what race and this business in Perth banning metrosexual dress code has to do with one another. It's like "race" has become the new Godwin argument, whereby any debate, left to go on long enough, will invariably come back to Hitler and Jews, killing all credibility of the argument.

It was a leap going from clothing to skin color but i think the main point was based on if a owner can do what he/she wants with their business.

[Flagg]

It was a leap going from clothing to skin color but i think the main point was based on if a owner can do what he/she wants with their business.

Well, Dress Code can be good for business, depending on who you want to attract, or more specifically, whose wallets you want to attack. If a business, any business said "No black people" they would get hammered in the press and wouldn't attract hardly anyone. Technically though, a business owner can do what he or she likes and I would hate for the Government to turn round and say "Well, we know its yours, you built it from the ground up, but we want you to run it our way". You cant tell me if you owned a nightclub, and you had a dress code of something like smart casual to deter the losers/junkies/wannabe thugs/etc, the government then said to you "You have to make your club accessible to EVERYONE, no matter what they look like"

I think the metrosexual look, looks utterly ridiculous, but I don't know why you would want to turn that look away, as guys that dress like that are usually fairly placid and dont start trouble at all, but i recognise a good percentage of young males dress that way, so it seems like you are cutting off a demographic that would happily spend money in your bars and clubs.

[DSM4Life]

Well, Dress Code can be good for business, depending on who you want to attract, or more specifically, whose wallets you want to attack. If a business, any business said "No black people" they would get hammered in the press and wouldn't attract hardly anyone. Technically though, a business owner can do what he or she likes and I would hate for the Government to turn round and say "Well, we know its yours, you built it from the ground up, but we want you to run it our way". You cant tell me if you owned a nightclub, and you had a dress code of something like smart casual to deter the losers/junkies/wannabe thugs/etc, the government then said to you "You have to make your club accessible to EVERYONE, no matter what they look like"

I think the metrosexual look, looks utterly ridiculous, but I don't know why you would want to turn that look away, as guys that dress like that are usually fairly placid and dont start trouble at all, but i recognise a good percentage of young males dress that way, so it seems like you are cutting off a demographic that would happily spend money in your bars and clubs.

Aren't we running it sort of their way ? If i build something from the ground up i do have rules. I have to allow everyone because the government says so. What if i wanted an all white club ? I can't do that. What if i wanted a gay club that didn't allow straight people ? I couldn't do that either.

I totally agree with a dress code but again where is the line drawn on a owner can/can't do with his business ?

[Flagg]

Aren't we running it sort of their way ? If i build something from the ground up i do have rules. I have to allow everyone because the government says so. What if i wanted an all white club ? I can't do that. What if i wanted a gay club that didn't allow straight people ? I couldn't do that either.

I totally agree with a dress code but again where is the line drawn on a owner can/can't do with his business ?

Well it's conforming to social norms, however don't quote me on this and it could be different in other countries, im not sure there are any laws that state you must let all genders, sexual preferences and race into your privately owned establishment. If you wanted a Club that said "No blacks" im pretty sure you could do that. It would be TERRIBLE FOR BUSINESS as no one would want to go there for obvious reasons, but if you really wanted to, you could have a club that said "No heterosexuals", again though...how well would that go over with the public? It's a funny thing, the more tolerant we become, the more afraid we are of offending someone, and it creates this kind of paradigm whereby people adhere to certain things and ways because of what is socially acceptable at the time.

Time will tell whether this thing in Perth will be a bone headed move. It comes across to me as a very petty type of dress code but I guess one bars ban, is another bars gain as those people will simply go else where.

[DSM4Life]

Well it's conforming to social norms, however don't quote me on this and it could be different in other countries, im not sure there are any laws that state you must let all genders, sexual preferences and race into your privately owned establishment. If you wanted a Club that said "No blacks" im pretty sure you could do that. It would be TERRIBLE FOR BUSINESS as no one would want to go there for obvious reasons, but if you really wanted to, you could have a club that said "No heterosexuals", again though...how well would that go over with the public? It's a funny thing, the more tolerant we become, the more afraid we are of offending someone, and it creates this kind of paradigm whereby people adhere to certain things and ways because of what is socially acceptable at the time.

Time will tell whether this thing in Perth will be a bone headed move. It comes across to me as a very petty type of dress code but I guess one bars ban, is another bars gain as those people will simply go else where.

There are discrimination law that prohibit that. I can't link to laws right now since I'm on my iPhone.