What's a good base to start cycle from?

[Gucks]

So, you aren't going to cycle for several years, but you want to get your ducks in a row now and figure out your exact plan? I wish I had the ability to plan that far ahead. I won't even commit to going shopping with my wife at 1:00 today.

i dont have a wife so i cant comment :P and ye im impatient...been annoying guys i know for months now about their cycles and shit. 26 like the other guy said seems way 2 far away...is 20 2 young? 21 is as old as ill go i think. am i being an idiot seting a d8 so far in advance though? i wanan be good 2 go wen i hit natty potential!

[SlimmerMe]

i dont have a wife so i cant comment :P and ye im impatient...been annoying guys i know for months now about their cycles and shit. 26 like the other guy said seems way 2 far away...is 20 2 young? 21 is as old as ill go i think. am i being an idiot seting a d8 so far in advance though? i wanan be good 2 go wen i hit natty potential!

NO WAY! 20? 21? and stay away from roids for longer than you are thinking.

You have a TON of hormones now. And if you cannot achieve what you want with what you have, then you are not eating nor training correctly. AAS will only be temporary. Once you go off, you will not keep your gains. Plus you will not keep your high test levels either. You will never return to what you have while peaking with your natural peak you presently have. And then you will come back here begging for help because you have ED and cannot stand it.

You have not stopped growing. If you take any juice while you are still growing which is around 25-26 years old, then you risk a negative feedback loop. What happens is that you start to get used to the synthetic and then your own natural test levels start to either slow down a lot or shut down since it thinks..."heck, you don't need me anymore.." so your own production goes down the drain. And there you have it. Erectile Dysfunction at 20 or 21 and I bet that is not a goal.

[Gucks]

NO WAY! 20? 21? and stay away from roids for longer than you are thinking.

You have a TON of hormones now. And if you cannot achieve what you want with what you have, then you are not eating nor training correctly. AAS will only be temporary. Once you go off, you will not keep your gains. Plus you will not keep your high test levels either. You will never return to what you have while peaking with your natural peak you presently have. And then you will come back here begging for help because you have ED and cannot stand it.

You have not stopped growing. If you take any juice while you are still growing which is around 25-26 years old, then you risk a negative feedback loop. What happens is that you start to get used to the synthetic and then your own natural test levels start to either slow down a lot or shut down since it thinks..."heck, you don't need me anymore.." so your own production goes down the drain. And there you have it. Erectile Dysfunction at 20 or 21 and I bet that is not a goal.

lol, this isnt just because ur a girl, but u do sound like my mum lecturing me about being obsessed with working out :P im still making good gains atm, my diet and training isnt perfect but im working on it as much as i can! im not turning to AAS as a solution, ill only use them when i feel my gains arent coming as fats as they should be. bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint! im well aware of that :P and u dont need 2 try and shock me into avoiding them with slowing down my reproductive system, with proper PCT and not abusing AAS for more then 1/2 cycles a yr then the long term side efffects can be kept to a minimum, eveyr guy ive spoken to has said the only real side ffects they've had r acne, some hair growth and a few guys had a bit of gyno cause they were 2 cheap 2 buy n'dex :P i know the risks and know not 2 abuse orals etc. and ur test levels bottom out at 25/26 but after 21 ur talking less then 100mg/week. theres a general consesus out there that 24 with at leats 3 yrs training r neccessary. im prepared 2 take the risk and start a bit earlier then that, im one of those guys who was shaving when i was 14! lol