What's a good base to start cycle from?

[marcus300]

marcus, thank you very much. i posted diet in diet forum and workout in workout forum 2 get feed back and try and improve it. having 5 sessions with a well renouned trainer over here in 2 weeks aswell. i trian hard and diet properly. i dont plan on juicing just because im not seeing gains, but my gains r already starting 2 come alot slower and harder then they did 6 months ago. not disagree with u but the stunt growth risk only reall applys to guys under 18 or l8 developers, ive been 6"3" for 3 yrs now so i wont grow anymore. and im aware ur body isnt fully developed untill 25, but it just seems to me the mojority of the growth is over, even if u do affect those loast few years of development, is it such a big deal? ive seen so many guys juice as young as 18, they make gd gains and apart from acne and the other minor side effects they've been fine for years.

thanks very much. im still on the fench about juicing wen im about 21 though

Your HPTA isnt full developed until the average age of 25yrs old, I can also mention guys who have cycled young and have fully recovered but I can also state many who are on hrt because they have waited till their own system as fully developed.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[Gucks]

Your HPTA isnt full developed until the average age of 25yrs old, I can also mention guys who have cycled young and have fully recovered but I can also state many who are on hrt because they have waited till their own system as fully developed.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

marcus, thanks very much. u sound genuinely concerned about guys juicing 2 soon. when the time ocmes, ull be the first guy i ask! i wuld like 2 compete as an amateur at least as a hobby. in this day and age u dont stand a chance without roids. i dont want 2 get bit by the competitive bug but uve pretty much put me in my box as far as jucing b4 25 :P its a long way away and i could end up juicing maybe about 23-24 but for the moment, 20/21 is out. thanks again.