First Cycle Questions.

[dsldsl1980]

If you really read enough here you would see that bert is trying to save you time and money. If you want to cycle here is what is going to happen. You will gain a good 15 lb or so and will feel great and strong. Then you will do your PCT half ass, not eat enough to maintain your gains and lose everything you earned and have a lower over all test level than what you started with. Good luck bro

[HeyItsCraig]

If you really read enough here you would see that bert is trying to save you time and money. If you want to cycle here is what is going to happen. You will gain a good 15 lb or so and will feel great and strong. Then you will do your PCT half ass, not eat enough to maintain your gains and lose everything you earned and have a lower over all test level than what you started with. Good luck bro

I'm happy you assume that my PCT will not only be inadequate but that I will refuse to eat a sufficient amount...without actually having gathered knowledge on how much I eat currently, what I plan to eat, and how often I eat.

I see that being something you said because you're probably frustrated with the amount of stubborn newbies that come in and out of the forums. Believe me, an uneducated person could in fact be hurt by even a low dose cycle like mine because of their lack of preparation... I understand that.

I'm an intellectual human being, I'm sure you consider yourself to be as well (or so I hope.) So instead of predicting a future that may or may not come to pass, I'd like to cut through the shit in this thread and just get some advice on PCTs. I already have the general opinion on the cycle itself. I've done my research, but part of it is to consult the public as well. I'm not asking anyone to hold my hand, don't consider me naive and lacking in knowledge. I'm just being thorough.

[Bertuzzi]

I'm happy you assume that my PCT will not only be inadequate but that I will refuse to eat a sufficient amount...without actually having gathered knowledge on how much I eat currently, what I plan to eat, and how often I eat.

I see that being something you said because you're probably frustrated with the amount of stubborn newbies that come in and out of the forums. Believe me, an uneducated person could in fact be hurt by even a low dose cycle like mine because of their lack of preparation... I understand that.

I'm an intellectual human being, I'm sure you consider yourself to be as well (or so I hope.) So instead of predicting a future that may or may not come to pass, I'd like to cut through the shit in this thread and just get some advice on PCTs. I already have the general opinion on the cycle itself. I've done my research, but part of it is to consult the public as well. I'm not asking anyone to hold my hand, don't consider me naive and lacking in knowledge. I'm just being thorough.

I don't know how to say this... you're not reading whats important, its like you're omitting the most important thing we are trying to tell you.... I guess I have to say it in an extremely simple way.... Good PCT or not, you won't hold your gains when its all said and done, because you simply do not have enough muscle at this point. Hit 185 or 190 naturally then think of using AAS. I don't know what else to tell you, ask any VET or HOF'er on here, they'll agree

[dru23]

I don't know how to say this... you're not reading whats important, its like you're omitting the most important thing we are trying to tell you.... I guess I have to say it in an extremely simple way.... Good PCT or not, you won't hold your gains when its all said and done, because you simply do not have enough muscle at this point. Hit 185 or 190 naturally then think of using AAS. I don't know what else to tell you, ask any VET or HOF'er on here, they'll agree

im no vet or hof'er but this is definitely right. at 5'10 155, you have wayy too much natural growth potential before going aas rout. im 5'11 and i was 210 at 8% bf before i considered using aas. and i didnt eat entirely right or i could have done better than that. but if you dont mind, would you post your daily eating habbits and plans for eating after.

the truth is you should hit the diet forum and get some info on food, at that weight you wont keep your gains, you just wont. i dont assume you wouldnt eat right or pct correctly, im sure you are as capable as anyone else of doing those things the right way, but you still have no chance of keeping the gains, and you would be able to gain just as well naturally until you get to a good plateau and begin to find it hard to put on another lb. which at that weight you could comfortably gain a few pounds every week or two if you eat and train the right way.

[dru23]

and on another note, why would you run dbol weeks 1-4 then start running test on week 4? dbol should be ran with the test, no this isnt a must, but if you plan on running test anyways, you should do test the whole time.

[HeyItsCraig]

and on another note, why would you run dbol weeks 1-4 then start running test on week 4? dbol should be ran with the test, no this isnt a must, but if you plan on running test anyways, you should do test the whole time.

Ran at different times to isolate the side effects either might have. I hardly take this cycle seriously, its basically a test run to see if it will get me anywhere. Whether or not the gains stay is really not going to bother me. However I just wanted advice on a proper PCT to ensure my homeostasis is protected afterwards.

I really don't see how I'm "omitting" anything. I asked for advice on 2 things, the cycle and its PCT. I take your advice seriously, but choose to not follow it in this case. You're main reasons to avoid the AAS are as follows :

-you won't keep gains
-you'll screw up your chemical makeup

So I'm saying, keeping the gains isn't going to bother me, I'll work at it and if it doesnt stay... oh well, my heart won't be broken. But I'll sure as hell work to TRY and keep the gains.

Secondly, if the aftermath concerning my body, is a concern of yours... perhaps you can at least attempt to offer advice on the PCT which is what I've been trying to get for the last 3 posts or so.

[Scottish-Muscle]

Ran at different times to isolate the side effects either might have. I hardly take this cycle seriously, its basically a test run to see if it will get me anywhere. Whether or not the gains stay is really not going to bother me. However I just wanted advice on a proper PCT to ensure my homeostasis is protected afterwards.

I really don't see how I'm "omitting" anything. I asked for advice on 2 things, the cycle and its PCT. I take your advice seriously, but choose to not follow it in this case. You're main reasons to avoid the AAS are as follows :

-you won't keep gains
-you'll screw up your chemical makeup

So I'm saying, keeping the gains isn't going to bother me, I'll work at it and if it doesnt stay... oh well, my heart won't be broken. But I'll sure as hell work to TRY and keep the gains.

Secondly, if the aftermath concerning my body, is a concern of yours... perhaps you can at least attempt to offer advice on the PCT which is what I've been trying to get for the last 3 posts or so.

Tbh I'd agree with other guys advising you against. First off saying this is just a test run to see what happens is the wrong attitude, first cycle is important, secondly if you fk things up it will be on your head no one elses. I wouldn't run dbol first then test reason being they work well in synergist as the test takes a few weeks to kick in hence the kick start, side effects will still be same??? so no idea why you wouldn't think so.

Also pointless going on gear at your weight, sure sure you may be "average" but try piling some weight on first. Your nowhere near your potential, so why waste it. Hit a higher level and build PROPER foundations and then advance it with gear no problem and you will look a lot better. These "quick" answers are really just quick ways to mess yourself up.