Ectomorph Cycle - When to Start

[Bigd89]

Eat 5000 calories a day and lift heavier, especially leg day.

I was 170 my sophomore year in high school. I think anyone 5'11 should be able to hit 190-200 easily.

My guess is your strength hasn't increased at all for a while as well which means you need more cals. Don't worry about getting fat, that's the only way to add some serious mass when you are natural.

Wtf? Don't worry about getting fat? Just because your 18% bf and cycled doesn't mean its ok for this guy....or for anybody in that case

[blastedlooger]

Wtf? Don't worry about getting fat? Just because your 18% bf and cycled doesn't mean its ok for this guy....or for anybody in that case

Strong reading comprehension. I'm telling him to go natural you douche. That's how I got up to 202 naturally was to eat like a monster. If you are natural you have to bulk and cut and can't just barely go over maintenance if you want to make muscle gains at any serious rate. OP is scared to get fat so he won't make significant gains naturally. Some of y'all are also way too scared of gaining some fat on a cycle as well. Some of the best size gains I've seen have been people who got huge and a little fat on cycle and then cut later. If you want to put on clean mass OP do the cycle, but either way you need to eat way more. I have friends tell me all the time they can't gain weight and then I'm with them and they go long periods of time and they eat nothing. I eat more than my two roommates put together. If you aren't gaining any weight that means your burning all the protein you're consuming. Add in an olive oil orange juice bomb (youtube it) to add in like 1000 extra calories a day.

Also If you're doing the cycle, at your height I can see you easily getting 30 pounds. I started my test e cycle that is almost over at 188 and I'm almost at my goal of 215 (27 pounds). I've maintained the same bodyfat percentage. You should be able to maintain 12% and get up to almost 200 lbs, especially with the d-bol kick. Keep in mind, if you weren't gaining on that diet before though you won't gain much on it with steroids.

For PCT you shouldn't just do nolva and HCG. Clomid is more effective at saturating the pituitary than Nolva. Run HCG starting the second or third week of cycle and stop the hcg right as you start nolva and clomid pct.

Keep HCG in the fridge after you constitute it. Make sure you have slin pins for it also. The potency of mine seems to be waning at the end of my cycle after having it in the fridge so long so you might want to get two 5000 iu bottles if you can afford it. I definitely noticed a difference in testicle size though when I first started using it. (only 500 iu a week as well)

Also, you want to have some kind of aromatase inhibitor on hand in case of gyno. If you don't have an AI on hand though and experience gyno you'll have to run the nolva on cycle at a low dose. Nolva has an affinity for breast tissue so will block the estrogen from that area.

Good luck. If you have any questions PM me.