i know alot of people take gear far to soon and just lose there gains looking for a easy way out i have been training 7 years was 140 pounds when i started and am 210 pounds now still growin using just pro hormones and protien think ill just spend 5 years training , learning, getting a better understanding of gear then when i hit 30 go for it with the knowedge needed to succeed , this site is a bible for training honestly