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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post

    Since the half lives of
    enth = 10.5 days
    cyp = 12 days
    then you begin your pct the number of half life days after your last pin of what ever type test you use. Once this amount of time has elapsed, then the minimum pct, imo, would be 4 weeks of nolva 20mg per day, preferably split in half
    You are providing members with incorrect information about half lifes of compounds. Those numbers stated above neither represent the half lifes nor the biological lifes of the subjected compounds, as a matter of fact. Half life of Test E is approx. 4-6 days, whereas the half of of Test Cyp is about 6-7. Half life largely depends on the individual as revealed by clinical tests, therefore there is only valid approximation as opposed to precision when it comes to the concept of half life.

    At any rate, one should start PCT not based on the half life but on the biological life of the compund. For instance, this would be 15-16 days after the last injection of Test E. If one starts his PCT based on the half life of the compound, we may as well call it EF (epic fail), not PCT since there is no point in trying to restore one's HTPA without making sure that the AAS is no more biologically active.

    Why would you split a 20 mg Nolvadex pill in half, preferably? Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) has an elimination half-life of approximately seven days, which is in fact a considerably long half life for any chemical compound. There is absolutely no point in splitting Nolvadex in half.

    Pharmacokinetics is a scientific field of specialization and requires concrete science to generate and support the information it reveals. It should be taken seriously and made good use of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer View Post
    You are providing members with incorrect information about half lifes of compounds. Those numbers stated above neither represent the half lifes nor the biological lifes of the subjected compounds, as a matter of fact. Half life of Test E is approx. 4-6 days, whereas the half of of Test Cyp is about 6-7. Half life largely depends on the individual as revealed by clinical tests, therefore there is only valid approximation as opposed to precision when it comes to the concept of half life.

    At any rate, one should start PCT not based on the half life but on the biological life of the compund. For instance, this would be 15-16 days after the last injection of Test E. If one starts his PCT based on the half life of the compound, we may as well call it EF (epic fail), not PCT since there is no point in trying to restore one's HTPA without making sure that the AAS is no more biologically active.

    Why would you split a 20 mg Nolvadex pill in half, preferably? Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) has an elimination half-life of approximately seven days, which is in fact a considerably long half life for any chemical compound. There is absolutely no point in splitting Nolvadex in half.

    Pharmacokinetics is a scientific field of specialization and requires concrete science to generate and support the information it reveals. It should be taken seriously and made good use of it.
    I'm glad you brought this up. I double checked the website where I was pulling this information, and yep... I wrote it down correctly. So it wasn't me writing it down wrong. So I dug a little deeper, and found three seperate lists with conflicting half lives... I did find a list that supports your numbers as well
    but not really a list, more like a large narrative of all the esthers and half lives.

    anyways, when I'm wrong, I'll admit it. I am wrong. Thanks for calling me out on this, and am always willing to learn from others.

    Favor? PM me a link (if you have one) of a list that is concise?
    I see the one in our steroid profile section. but not concise.

    Warm regards,
    ---Roman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post

    Favor? PM me a link (if you have one) of a list that is concise?
    I see the one in our steroid profile section. but not concise.

    Warm regards,
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    OK, I will pm you a correct and precise list.

    I know you are merely motivated by helping others in this forum, especially newbies. I am sure it would only break your heart to see someone hurting themselves due to intake of incorrect info such as starting PCT too early. People need correct and precise info about the pharmacokinetics of the compounds they are using or about to use in order to be able to schedule their cycles correctly, needles to say.

    PS: Info about half lifes and biological lifes of compunds in steroid profile section of this site is actually pretty solid.

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