100 million deaths per year...

[Twist]

Dont we have synthic oil? You are kickin a dead horse bro.

Are you implying that we are not dependent on oil?...

I highly doubt oil production to go down over next 15 years, demand will only get stronger, that third graph seems BS to me. The population growth over the last 100 years has alot to do with medical advances keeping people older longer. There is definately too many people on this planet..........the shiit will hit the fan one day in the near future, food crisis/disease anyone?

Food crisis and disease can be directly linked to the things that prop up harvesting, transportation etc. Petroleum is used in the machines, mechanical irrigation, and the pesticides and fertilizers. For every calorie of food energy there is 6 calories of energy used to produce it. Seriously oil is used in everything so we take out oil and what are we left with?

The clasic statistic mistake. see explanation from Weiki below. If it is Causation at all I would think it is the other way around. More People demand more Oil. Not more oil makes more people
exactly my point. More people demand more water = water consumption HAS to go up. Dwindling water supply = less people. Doesn't matter which one causes which, just that population growth requires resources.


Correlation does not imply causation" (related to "ignoring a common cause" and questionable cause) is a phrase used in science and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not automatically imply that one causes the other (though correlation is necessary for linear causation in the absence of any third and countervailing causative variable, and can indicate possible causes or areas for further investigation; in other words, correlation can be a hint).[1][2]

The opposite belief, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. By contrast, the fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc requires that one event occur before the other and so may be considered a type of cum hoc fallacy.

This is not a statistic mistake and I have spoken many times on correlation and causation. Wiki "carrying capacity."


The way our economy/world view is set up is just like a pyramid scheme. We require constant growth for survival. That growth is fueled by oil and natural gas. Each nuclear plant requires about 20 years to plan and build. So if we are to make a switch then we better start building.

[JohnnyVegas]

The way our economy/world view is set up is just like a pyramid scheme. We require constant growth for survival.

I have been thinking about the above reality lately (although not in relation to oil). My city has been hit the worst by the real estate bubble, the local economy is in shambles, and my business has take a huge hit...it is the worst it has been since I started it 17 years ago. My wife and I have realized the way our economy works is stupid, so we are selling our bigger place and moving into a smaller loft. We are probably selling a couple of our cars. We are delaying having a child, or maybe not having one. Constantly expanding on a personal or business level is just insane.

The problem is, if a lot of people do what we are doing, it will make things even worse for the economy.

Sorry for the semi-highjack, but it seemed important to stress that we don't need to JUST shrink the amount of oil we use. We need to reduce the amount of lots of stuff that we use. Funny thing is, I am not a "green" guy. I am not trying to save the world. I am just trying to bring sanity to my small piece of it.

[VegasRenegade]

I have been thinking about the above reality lately (although not in relation to oil). My city has been hit the worst by the real estate bubble, the local economy is in shambles, and my business has take a huge hit...it is the worst it has been since I started it 17 years ago. My wife and I have realized the way our economy works is stupid, so we are selling our bigger place and moving into a smaller loft. We are probably selling a couple of our cars. We are delaying having a child, or maybe not having one. Constantly expanding on a personal or business level is just insane.

The problem is, if a lot of people do what we are doing, it will make things even worse for the economy.

Sorry for the semi-highjack, but it seemed important to stress that we don't need to JUST shrink the amount of oil we use. We need to reduce the amount of lots of stuff that we use. Funny thing is, I am not a "green" guy. I am not trying to save the world. I am just trying to bring sanity to my small piece of it.

It will get far worse as we continue to follow a path that will destroy the American Middle class. Who will there be left to consume all this garbage.