Test. Cyp. BW and Endo Experience

[Bullseye Forever]

No offense, but I really don't see why something in summary form is "silly." I don't understand why making a "statement like that" was incorrect? If your referring to the "we all know they're smarter than us" comment, that was meant as pure sarcasm. It was more of a request for assistance from the veterans here, such as yourself (Gdevine) as I respect your opinions. Yes, I am new here and I am struggling with a doc/endo who won't prescribe HCG or AI's, (read-nuts are shrinking severely) and yes, I'm reading everything possibly on here and elsewhere in effort to educate myself. I've read many of Bullseye's posts and empathize with him, trust me.

The one thing that pisses me off with my endo or any of them what is like the one that messed me up,it all started with my question to him about giving me a precription for an A.I. because i was holding alot of water and had a swollen face,then i started to feel worse and he increased my dose,and i felt worse after that,so i asked him about high estrogen and my trt dose being converted into estrogen and in both instances,he told me and I quote"Please understand Mr.Doyle,that with clinical doses of TRT no one has estrogen conversion neither does anyone have water retention"he said if you are having those problems,you are taking more than i am presribing you,and i said,well how could i be doing that when i can only get what presrcriptions you write me,i just cant walkin the pharmacy and tell them i want extra test.....so after he declined to give me a blood test for high estrogen,i had my GP do it and like i figured,it was out of control,and when i showed himt he test results,he said it was impossible,and that i was over dosing!!! lol......and he's supposed to be the specialist....and ive learned more on this forum and doing my own research than anything he has told me,when i say what im about to,im not trying to sound like a big dog or smart-ass,but I hold a Master's Degree in Entomology,with a minor in Insect Genetics....so i know just a little about hormones and how they work.I dont in humans,but its quiet similar,ive done research in how to change the hormone inbalance in insects to hel control thier behavior and damage they do,to help develop insecticides to control them in row crops....so i know a little about hormones.Im like JPKman and adevine,ive learned more on this forum by reading and learning from everyone elses experiences more than what my endo has told me,heck i'd rather learn from this forum than any doctors office.....and i wish you the best with your problems man,cause all of us need all the help we can get

[lovbyts]

The one thing that pisses me off with my endo or any of them what is like the one that messed me up,it all started with my question to him about giving me a precription for an A.I. because i was holding alot of water and had a swollen face,then i started to feel worse and he increased my dose,and i felt worse after that,so i asked him about high estrogen and my trt dose being converted into estrogen and in both instances,he told me and I quote"Please understand Mr.Doyle,that with clinical doses of TRT no one has estrogen conversion neither does anyone have water retention"he said if you are having those problems,you are taking more than i am presribing you,and i said,well how could i be doing that when i can only get what presrcriptions you write me,i just cant walkin the pharmacy and tell them i want extra test.....so after he declined to give me a blood test for high estrogen,i had my GP do it and like i figured,it was out of control,and when i showed himt he test results,he said it was impossible,and that i was over dosing!!! lol......and he's supposed to be the specialist....and ive learned more on this forum and doing my own research than anything he has told me,when i say what im about to,im not trying to sound like a big dog or smart-ass,but I hold a Master's Degree in Entomology,with a minor in Insect Genetics....so i know just a little about hormones and how they work.I dont in humans,but its quiet similar,ive done research in how to change the hormone inbalance in insects to hel control thier behavior and damage they do,to help develop insecticides to control them in row crops....so i know a little about hormones.Im like JPKman and adevine,ive learned more on this forum by reading and learning from everyone elses experiences more than what my endo has told me,heck i'd rather learn from this forum than any doctors office.....and i wish you the best with your problems man,cause all of us need all the help we can get

Yes and if you remember I/we told you it was TO high and to just lower it yourself, get your blood work done, get your E2 under control but keep accepting the RX for 600 mg a week and stock up!!!!! Hey if the doctor wants to be an idiot and give it away......
It's up to us to self educate and if we use logic and common sense we should know our bodies better than the doctor and be prepared to remind your doctor that he/she works for you and you should not be rushed or treated like a lab rat.

[Bullseye Forever]

Yes and if you remember I/we told you it was TO high and to just lower it yourself, get your blood work done, get your E2 under control but keep accepting the RX for 600 mg a week and stock up!!!!! Hey if the doctor wants to be an idiot and give it away......
It's up to us to self educate and if we use logic and common sense we should know our bodies better than the doctor and be prepared to remind your doctor that he/she works for you and you should not be rushed or treated like a lab rat.

yup i remember totally,and im since doing much better now!! thanks to all of yall!!

[sirupate]

A "funny" follow-up to my original post on this one. My endo's office assistant just called me to let me know that my lab results are "stable" and no recommendation from the endo for a dosage change was noted. Now I already had my lab results and they are low outside the normal range for total and free testosterone....so they don't look so hot to me. Dosage was 100mg. test. cyp. e10d with labs on 10th day. My libido died on this dosage...but the endo appears to think the numbers are sort of OK.

A change of strategy may be necessary.

Oh...haven't posted up stats for a while, for those who are interested:

age 55
5'10"
weight 205lbs.
bf...who knows, but I have lost 50 pounds over the last year from diet and exercise.

[zaggahamma]

A "funny" follow-up to my original post on this one. My endo's office assistant just called me to let me know that my lab results are "stable" and no recommendation from the endo for a dosage change was noted. Now I already had my lab results and they are low outside the normal range for total and free testosterone....so they don't look so hot to me. Dosage was 100mg. test. cyp. e10d with labs on 10th day. My libido died on this dosage...but the endo appears to think the numbers are sort of OK.

A change of strategy may be necessary.

Oh...haven't posted up stats for a while, for those who are interested:

age 55
5'10"
weight 205lbs.
bf...who knows, but I have lost 50 pounds over the last year from diet and exercise.

The case of finding a non retard doctor sage continues...................

congrats on the 50 butter bowls.....how many to go, if any?

[sirupate]

The case of finding a non retard doctor sage continues...................

congrats on the 50 butter bowls.....how many to go, if any?

I'd like to be down to 200lbs. The first 20 or 30lbs were easy...the last 10lbs, not so much. I know there is a 6-pack in there somewhere though (abs, not Miller Lite).

[zaggahamma]

I'd like to be down to 200lbs. The first 20 or 30lbs were easy...the last 10lbs, not so much. I know there is a 6-pack in there somewhere though (abs, not Miller Lite).

you dont have far to go bro....

[curryman]

im about to start on TRT, and Im about to get my last bloodwork done before i beging treatment. From what ive read on forums, TEST CYP seems to be the best option at a 100mg/week pace. The GP doctor that im with right now says that the Cyp injections can only be done at his office because his order of the Test come directly to his office. However, i wanna be able to do it myself at my own convenience and time.

I am planning to ask him after the bloodwork is done if it is somehow possible to let me get it done myself. I doubt that will happen from how he was explaining it. I am going to see an Endo in a couple weeks. Do most Endos allow their patients to self inject Test-Cyp?? I am hoping he will allow it since I do not want to have to deal with office visits every week.

[zaggahamma]

im about to start on TRT, and Im about to get my last bloodwork done before i beging treatment. From what ive read on forums, TEST CYP seems to be the best option at a 100mg/week pace. The GP doctor that im with right now says that the Cyp injections can only be done at his office because his order of the Test come directly to his office. However, i wanna be able to do it myself at my own convenience and time.

I am planning to ask him after the bloodwork is done if it is somehow possible to let me get it done myself. I doubt that will happen from how he was explaining it. I am going to see an Endo in a couple weeks. Do most Endos allow their patients to self inject Test-Cyp?? I am hoping he will allow it since I do not want to have to deal with office visits every week.

curry welcome to the site
this type of question should be done with a new thread....
you will get an answer shortly then
best of luck