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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark999 View Post
    Hi together!

    First sorry for my bad english. I'm from switzerland and english isn't my native language.
    Back to topic:

    Since a while I am concerned in hgh. Here in my country there is a lab where I can test different substances, also HGH. For HGH they use the method PhEur. With this method they can test the purity, identity, content and the related substances.
    After studying this forum here, I asked the chemist about the biological activity. The answer was: I'ts possible to have different biological activities in hgh but there are no values to measure them for the moment.

    I get tested some different chinese hgh.
    All thes red, green, blue, black, yellow tops I get tested are IGF-1 with low purity (~75%) and other not identifical substances. One blue top I get tested was hgh with low purity (<75%). The last one actually in test are the rips, today I get a preliminary result that the hgh has a high purity, higher than the official reference substance. That means the chemist has to order an other CAS reference substance! So i'm still waiting for the result.

    personal conclusion
    I tested green tops hgh (containing igf-1) and the feeling was bad. I got a blood sugar fall (correct english?). They were sell as Jintropin.
    Now I'm on rips (3.3iu 5/2 in the morning) and the results are great. I can eat what I want an I still loose fat (bf <8%).

    When you dissolve the hgh with the water it takes a while to get completely dissolved. A little rest takes 2-3min. If it dissolves directly is other stuff, perhaps igf-1-

    When I get the result from the rips I will post them.
    Quote Originally Posted by noserider View Post
    My take after 9 years of gh research. From best to the rest; Humatrope, Nutropin AQ, Jins, Anke's, Riptropin, Nordictropin, Elitropin, chinese generics.
    Every brand of gh caused to some degree water retention resulting in CTS and various other sides. Brands made by licensed facilities had two things in common.
    1. Sides eventually became nil, except minor CTS. Nutropin AQ was great but made my jaw ache most of the time.
    2. Results come in sooner all while also using less iu's.

    I was really impressed with Rips after going through 500iu's last summer and getting my igf levels checked. My numbers were where they should be for my dose. I use for anti aging and stay in the 2-3iu. While on Rips, my skin was differnt and my hair and nails grew much faster. I woke up refreshed every morning and just felt great all around.
    Riptropin IMO is the best stuff coming out of china not named Jin, Anke Bio or Genheal. I have yet to try Hyge's but with so many fakes, don't think I ever will.

    Just wanted to share my experiences.

    Strange both new members trying to state rips are the only good hgh out of China. I think you 2 are the same person pushing the worse crap you could buy, rips are garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Strange both new members trying to state rips are the only good hgh out of China. I think you 2 are the same person pushing the worse crap you could buy, rips are garbage.
    Not saying anything about this guys testing. I was using getropin for a long time and getting good results. My supplier dried up and went with jintropin from another supplier. I stopped using it as i was getting bloated as hell and could not figure it out. My diet was good and even ramped it up, but the bloat was continuing. 2-1/2 weeks after stopping jin. my bloat completely went away losing about 9 lbs. of water. Finally i can see my abs again. I went through a kit and 3/4 before figuring it out along with the help of this thread. My suspicion of my hgh led me to pop on this site and look at hgh again. This thread makes a lot of sense as I think the chinese are laughing there asses off at us. Seems like everyone has hgh these days. How did it become so plentiful? I,m suspicious of all of it name brand chinese or generic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Strange both new members trying to state rips are the only good hgh out of China. I think you 2 are the same person pushing the worse crap you could buy, rips are garbage.
    Lol, I was one of the posters arguing with the Riptropin seller in the threads over at CM(canadian super board) that got deleted by the mods. I stand by what I said in that I believe the Riptropin source sold bad gh to some board members. Since then I had the opportunity to try rips from a different source, The Provider, and been a fan ever since.

    I responded to this thread because it was linked to another board. I use the same handle and have been a member of ******** since 97 and also post
    on Professional Muscle(nozeryder). There are some valid posts here that bring up good points about what we're really getting when we buy chinese gh not manufactured by the big 3(Jin,Anke,GenHeal).

    I got suckered into trying Getropin aka garbagetropin.
    Maybe I got a bad batch IDK, threw that shit in the trash.

    Currently on Elitropin aka Mexi's Green Tops.
    Mexi has a good product and a cult following. For whatever reason it's not working for me. I'll just leave it at that.

    I just call'em like I see'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark999 View Post

    Original Hyges, Riptropin and Jintropin are the only good hgh from china.
    You left out ansomone. I'd take legit ansomone over legit Hyge, Rips or Jins.

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    its a shame its so hard to knw if you are using real or fake GH. That reason there is why i lean more towards cjc1293(modgrf1-29) and ghrp-6. That way i knw my body is making My gentic form of gh and fits like a glove in my receptors, becasue its made from me. I would love to thru in some synthetic GH but with all this bullshit of fake or not, doesnt seem worth it. I have seen some nice results from mod cjc 100mcg x 100mcg ghrp-6 , 3 times a day ( morning , pwo, bedtime)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark999 View Post
    Hi together!

    First sorry for my bad english. I'm from switzerland and english isn't my native language.
    Back to topic:

    Since a while I am concerned in hgh. Here in my country there is a lab where I can test different substances, also HGH. For HGH they use the method PhEur. With this method they can test the purity, identity, content and the related substances.
    After studying this forum here, I asked the chemist about the biological activity. The answer was: I'ts possible to have different biological activities in hgh but there are no values to measure them for the moment.

    I get tested some different chinese hgh.
    All thes red, green, blue, black, yellow tops I get tested are IGF-1 with low purity (~75%) and other not identifical substances. One blue top I get tested was hgh with low purity (<75%). The last one actually in test are the rips, today I get a preliminary result that the hgh has a high purity, higher than the official reference substance. That means the chemist has to order an other CAS reference substance! So i'm still waiting for the result.

    personal conclusion
    I tested green tops hgh (containing igf-1) and the feeling was bad. I got a blood sugar fall (correct english?). They were sell as Jintropin.
    Now I'm on rips (3.3iu 5/2 in the morning) and the results are great. I can eat what I want an I still loose fat (bf <8%).

    When you dissolve the hgh with the water it takes a while to get completely dissolved. A little rest takes 2-3min. If it dissolves directly is other stuff, perhaps igf-1-

    When I get the result from the rips I will post them.
    really you tested all that? the lab in your country name is SIMEC AG. i dont believe you tested all that because at SIMEC to make a analysis of the HGH is very high cost. At least 1500 Eur for each analysis. royaltropin 10iu was analyzed at them with goods results (purity over 94% which is high enough)



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    It is high cost, but remember that you need just once the CAS reference substance, so 1500euro enough for 2 analyses. You're right there are not a lot of labs to test hgh.

    Royaltropin seems to be produced in china by one of the manufacture who knows how to his job.
    Last edited by Mark999; 07-06-2011 at 05:51 PM.

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    Mark999

    I had my HGH tested for less than $200 at a university lab, there is no need to spend lots of money on testing for HGH purity.





    I have been looking for a testing kit for IGF-1 that will show whether my HGH is active or not.

    Can anyone provide a link to a supplier of IGF-1 home testing kits?

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    EDIT YOU POST NOW.

    as you know we dont discuss prices or sources. THIS IS NOT A SOURCE BOARD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit N Fun View Post
    Mark999

    I had my HGH tested for less than $200 at a university lab, there is no need to spend lots of money on testing for HGH purity.





    I have been looking for a testing kit for IGF-1 that will show whether my HGH is active or not.

    Can anyone provide a link to a supplier of IGF-1 home testing kits?
    you need to make the analysis of MALDI-DS, SDS-Page, quantification. this are much more than 200$, just the reference is way over that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit N Fun View Post
    Mark999

    I had my HGH tested for less than $200 at a university lab, there is no need to spend lots of money on testing for HGH purity.





    I have been looking for a testing kit for IGF-1 that will show whether my HGH is active or not.

    Can anyone provide a link to a supplier of IGF-1 home testing kits?

    I use ZRT Laboratories' "blood spot" kit, which I receive by mail and return by UPS (human blood cannot be lawfully sent through the mail). ZRT works for me from Alaska and should work from anywhere in the USA. Their link is: www.zrtlab.com and the cost of the IGF-1 test was a little less than $100 the last time I had one done.

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    If you want to know if your GH is real, do not sleep one night, inject at 5 am, get your blood tested at 7 am. Check IGF1 and Somatotrophin (GH) blood levels. Somatotrophin is cheaper than IGF1 to check. You should be able to get them both tested for less than $100.
    Since you won't have slept, the GH in your blood, if any, will be exogenous. As for IGF1, if you're above 250, it means supplementation is working.

    Regarding Chinese GH, I don't think it's possible to easily find a combination of drugs that could mimic sides and would be able to give the person the impression it's working with doses ranging from 1 IU to 30 IU a day.
    If there was a fairly good drug combination, how could it end up in all the GH brands? It would imply that the combination is well known, and therefore everyone would you about it.
    Regarding IGF1-LR3, this is also an advanced compound, why would a lab be able to produce it and not GH? And since GH is reconstituted in water and not in AA solution, I'm pretty sure IGF1 would be destroyed.

    I think that Chinese GH falls into 6 categories:
    1 - the good product, not as pure as pharmaceutical GH, but with a purity high enough to exhibit the same biological effects
    2 - the poor product, with a biological effect reduced by 50% or more, explaining with certain users need to use more IU
    3 - the no GH product, with no biological activity obviously, but no toxicity
    4 - the "other" product, containing something like HCG
    5 - the "fake" GH, the drug combination people are talking about, containing things like hypothetic IGF1, anti-diuretic
    6 - the toxic product, made by a person with a criminal mind, containing poison

    The well-known Chinese GH products, like real Jin, real Hyge, real Rips, real Ansomone, real Eli, etc. are I think in the 1st category, and if not, in the 2nd category.
    the 3rd category is probably common among no-labeled generic.
    The 4th is probably very rare, contrarily to AAS, which often fall in this category.
    I don't think 5 exists. Considering the dose range (from 1 to 30 IU/day), it could be potentially lethal.
    As for 6, I can't imagine any non-fake labeled Chinese product falling into this category.

    The fact that vets indicate having used various Chinese labeled and non-labeled Chinese products for almost a decade proves that Chinese GH is at least not lethal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallbb View Post
    Regarding Chinese GH, I don't think it's possible to easily find a combination of drugs that could mimic sides and would be able to give the person the impression it's working with doses ranging from 1 IU to 30 IU a day.
    If there was a fairly good drug combination, how could it end up in all the GH brands? It would imply that the combination is well known, and therefore everyone would you about it.

    As per the first paragraph, Ive ran reds, blues, rips with no results, so right there it tells you they are fake. I just ran Rips a few months ago, from the TOP GH source and at 8 iu's for 3 months NO results. Ive been running Sero since at 4 iu's and my body has already started to transform at week 7. Plus getting trues GH sides...not high BP, head aches and swollen hands. Im getting pins and needles after keeping my hands in a gripping position after for a decent amount of time. As far as mimicking sides, of course its easy, add a diuretic and people will be dropping water which will make them think they are losing BF. I CAN TELL YOU THE BLUS, REDS AND RIPS ARE FAKE, used them all with no results. I hate to repeat myself but, 6 years ago I ran Jins direct from GenSci at 8iu's, with incredible results, plus Sero now so I KNOW. You say how could it show up in a GH brands.....I bet theres only 1 maufacturer for those Generics, maybe 2. Its very easy to put a red top on the vial when the blues are getting bad feedback. Everytime a brand starts to get a bad rap.....boom a new kind comes out. I remeber when it was only blues/browns, then reds and now holy shit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smallbb View Post
    The fact that vets indicate having used various Chinese labeled and non-labeled Chinese products for almost a decade proves that Chinse GH is non that dangerous at least.
    As far as this, there would be no signs or even ways to know it what ever they put in those vials were dangerous products, plus generics only hit the scener 5 years ago, it takes time for cancer and other diaseases like that to show up.

    BTW nice first post, its seems you are backing the Rips and Hyges who are sold by one of the bigger sources out ther, so between having one post and seems you are backing a certain source you claim holds not merit.....oh wait no proof of what you are saying also, pure speculation.

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    As far as Hyges ( 8iu tops are the only ones Ive ran, three different times), I do believe they are as close to real generic you can get but VERY underdosed. I think they are 2-3iu vials sold as 8. When Hyges (8iu top) first showed up I ran them, they were good, close to what the jins were. Now this was right after ORD, so you couldnt get Jins anymore but Generics just hit. I believe they were about twice as expensive as they are now. But since then, the price has dropped and I believe the dosage also. Since the og batch Ive ran them twice and only got some (not great) results around 8-10iu's. Not even close to the results Im getting from 4ius of pharma. Now I recently had 1000iu's of Rips, I ran 500 at 8iu's with no results and guess what my source said....I will exchange them for Hyges. That right there tells you the rips are fake and that the Hyges (definitly still very underdosed and not worth the money) are as close to real gh that he had.

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by noserider View Post
    Since then I had the opportunity to try rips from a different source, The Provider, and been a fan ever since.

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    My 100 ius came from him, they were fake and he was willing to exchange them and pay for it......

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt View Post
    Not saying anything about this guys testing. I was using getropin for a long time and getting good results. My supplier dried up and went with jintropin from another supplier. I stopped using it as i was getting bloated as hell and could not figure it out. My diet was good and even ramped it up, but the bloat was continuing. 2-1/2 weeks after stopping jin. my bloat completely went away losing about 9 lbs. of water. Finally i can see my abs again. I went through a kit and 3/4 before figuring it out along with the help of this thread. My suspicion of my hgh led me to pop on this site and look at hgh again. This thread makes a lot of sense as I think the chinese are laughing there asses off at us. Seems like everyone has hgh these days. How did it become so plentiful? I,m suspicious of all of it name brand chinese or generic!
    The Jins are HIGHLY faked also, IP has cloned almost every good product that became unavailible. BD, QV and Jins to start.

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    BTW nice first post, its seems you are backing the Rips and Hyges who are sold by one of the bigger sources out ther, so between having one post and seems you are backing a certain source you claim holds not merit.....oh wait no proof of what you are saying also, pure speculation.
    Come on, do I look I'm trying to advertise something. I chose these examples because they are the most discussed these days. My point is that selling GH is a lucrative business for the established generic labels, so they should logically try to sell something that satisfies the customer.

    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Ive ran reds, blues, rips with no results, so right there it tells you they are fake.
    So you are saying that the people who checked their IGF1 blood levels and reported elevated levels were all lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    As far as mimicking sides, of course its easy, add a diuretic and people will be dropping water which will make them think they are losing BF.
    But most critics, even in this thread say that they contain an anti-diuretic. So, is it an anti-diuretic or a diuretic that the Chinese put in their vials?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallbb View Post
    Come on, do I look I'm trying to advertise something. I chose these examples because they are the most discussed these days. My point is that selling GH is a lucrative business for the established generic labels, so they should logically try to sell something that satisfies the customer.


    So you are saying that the people who checked their IGF1 blood levels and reported elevated levels were all lying?


    But most critics, even in this thread say that they contain an anti-diuretic. So, is it an anti-diuretic or a diuretic that the Chinese put in their vials?
    They dont care if it satisfies their customer, this is the fuc'n Chinese we are talking about. The dont give a fuc about anything but money. Have you ever noticed that after the first batch of generics is released that they start to get bad feedback and after a little while there pops out a new brand?? They are shit. I ran the first batch of Reds, they were pretty good then a few months later I bought more and my sides went away. They send out a real good first batch then drop the dosage or send something out in its place. they do it all the time. Iran test-e, tested at 333mgs per ml.....holy shit !!! Everybody bought them, guys were getting shitty results so they had them tested......172mgs, old bait and switch. As far as me saying diuretic, I said "they could use" so get it straight, thats the fuc'ing thing...we have no idea whats in them.

    Lets talk about you, one post here, whats your credibility?? What have you used, pharma and what generics? How long have you been using GH? All I here from you is you speculating that they are real....Ive used them all with no results and Ive used (still using) 3 different pharma grades to compare them to.

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    They dont care if it satisfies their customer, this is the fuc'n Chinese we are talking about. The dont give a fuc about anything but money.
    This sounds a bit racist to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    All I here from you is you speculating that they are real.
    Correct, all you hear from me is speculation, but mostly a suggestion I made to know if your product is real or not through a simple blood test protocol.
    I didn't say all Chinese products are good, I said that there is a likelihood that certain non faked Chinese labels that have been around for a while are of decent quality.
    My personal experience doesn't really matter since it's anecdotal, and as you pointed out possibly biased.

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    If someone knows where to buy IGF-1 test kits at a reasonable price, this subject would have a more positive conclusion.

    I have looked but not found any, does any one know of a low cost option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallbb View Post
    This sounds a bit racist to me.


    Correct, all you hear from me is speculation, but mostly a suggestion I made to know if your product is real or not through a simple blood test protocol.
    I didn't say all Chinese products are good, I said that there is a likelihood that certain non faked Chinese labels that have been around for a while are of decent quality.
    My personal experience doesn't really matter since it's anecdotal, and as you pointed out possibly biased.
    Racist? The Chinese are the biggest to be found, they hate all other races and most of all American's. They use lead paint on our childrens toys, sheetrock as meds/viagra and sent sheetrock here that made thousands sick, thats just a few. They dont even like there own people (the common person), they make women and children work for pennies in sweat shops.....come on and you say they put real fuc'n GH in unlabeled blackmarket vials.........that gives me a good laugh. Im starting to think you are one of the chinese sources more and more.

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    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    My 100 ius came from him, they were fake and he was willing to exchange them and pay for it......


    The Jins are HIGHLY faked also, IP has cloned almost every good product that became unavailible. BD, QV and Jins to start.
    not trying too argue with you but i have been dealin w him since he came around and he want send out 100 iu solo are you saying out of a bulk 1 kit was bad ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyounger100 View Post
    not trying too argue with you but i have been dealin w him since he came around and he want send out 100 iu solo are you saying out of a bulk 1 kit was bad ?
    I dont understand......

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    come on and you say they put real fuc'n GH in unlabeled blackmarket vials.........that gives me a good laugh.
    You considered Jin, Ansomone, and to some extent the other products I mentioned unlabeled?

    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Im starting to think you are one of the chinese sources more and more.
    How did you find out about me?

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    So, now i got the result, but if I will post them nobody will believe it...but anyway: the related substance is less than 0.2% and the content is much higher (4.5mg)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    I dont understand......
    nevermind shouldnt of posted against the rules anyway

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    post up man who cares what people say.. I think everyone here is old enough to beleive something they read is real or not let us decide, i personally would appreciate it

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    Iv recently become close with one of my chinese suppliers he told he that placenta extract is used in the majority of "HGH" sold products, including his? I asked him if he know what Somatotropin was and he said no
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtralarg View Post
    as we are all aware the global market for human growth hormone is worth millions if not billions of dollars and because of this is attracts the attention of the more unscrupulous amongst our community.

    In the past people have been sold hcg believing it to be hgh, let’s face it, to the beginner or novice it looks the same or very similar, you reconstitute it and can inject it just like you do with hgh. One big difference is the price, hcg is much cheaper to produce than hgh and therefore to the guy who wants to make a quick buck it becomes very appealing. Luckily for us it’s easy to test for hcg using a pregnancy test, put some of the water on the test and if it shows a positive result then voila! You have hcg.

    So what are the fakers trying to pass off as hgh these days? Well they are certainly selling us freeze dried ai’s, these compounds will strip the body of it estrogen and that will make you loose some water and become ‘leaner’. This can often fool the user into thinking they have lost bf and increased lean muscle, and as most people run aas with their hgh they won’t have a clue that what they are taking is a million miles from what they thought they have spent their hard earned cash on because their estrogen levels would of been raised by the aas anyway. The problems arise here when you come off the ai and get a massive estrogen rebound, and then you will know for sure you have been deceived.

    Ok so how can we tell that we have real hgh without sending to the lab to be tested and also not testing it on yourself?

    The answer to this question is quite simple and anyone can do it. When you reconstitute your hgh (or what you think is hgh) you need to watch how it dissolves when it comes into contact with the water. Does it disappear instantly? If so then i doubt very much that you have hgh, what you want to be seeing are a few white flakes at the bottom of the vial which remain, you then need to gently swirl the bottle around until the disappear, this could take 30 seconds or more and is a very good indicator that what you have is real hgh, or what we commonly believe to be hgh...update. It seems that the chinese are able to create a substance that dissolves like hgh so beware that the remaining flakes are not always a sigh that your hgh is g2g.

    As we know the positive effects of hgh such as fat loss and muscle gain take a long time to begin to show and it is because of this that we often rely on the side effects such as bloat and cts to give us the reassurance that our hgh is real. One of my major concerns is that the counterfeiters may be one step ahead of us here, hgh is not only very expensive to produce it’s also very difficult and must be done in controlled lab conditions. This leads me on to what may be a huge undiscovered scam in the world of hgh, i am going to point the finger at china because that is where the vast majority of hgh used by ‘us’ comes from and they are probably the worlds number one counterfeiting nation.

    I believe that there are many drugs available that will cause the body to retain water but not so many that will cause cts and i only know one that will cause both, hgh. However let’s not be naive here, the chinese may be producing a drug that reconstitutes like hgh and causes the same side effects as hgh but without the benefits and i believe that they may be fooling many thousands of unsuspecting users all around the world. If this is happening then we need to help eachother and to do this we need everybody who is using ‘black market’ hgh to share their results with us on this thread.

    Have you been using hgh for a while and experiencing the side effects but not seeing any benefits?

    Have you or are you experiencing bloat but no cts? If so are you seeing fat loss and muscle gain?

    Please share your experiences guys and girls, this is imporatnt so we can all be at ease about what we are putting into our bodies.
    spot on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtralarg View Post
    As we are all aware the global market for human growth hormone is worth millions if not billions of dollars and because of this is attracts the attention of the more unscrupulous amongst our community.

    In the past people have been sold HCG believing it to be HGH, let’s face it, to the beginner or novice it looks the same or very similar, you reconstitute it and can inject it just like you do with HGH. One big difference is the price, HCG is much cheaper to produce than HGH and therefore to the guy who wants to make a quick buck it becomes very appealing. Luckily for us it’s easy to test for HCG using a pregnancy test, put some of the water on the test and if it shows a positive result then voila! You have HCG.

    So what are the fakers trying to pass off as HGH these days? Well they are certainly selling us freeze dried AI’s, these compounds will strip the body of it estrogen and that will make you loose some water and become ‘leaner’. This can often fool the user into thinking they have lost BF and increased lean muscle, and as most people run AAS with their HGH they won’t have a clue that what they are taking is a million miles from what they thought they have spent their hard earned cash on because their estrogen levels would of been raised by the AAS anyway. The problems arise here when you come off the AI and get a massive estrogen rebound, and then you will know for sure you have been deceived.

    Ok so how can we tell that we have real HGH without sending to the lab to be tested and also not testing it on yourself?

    The answer to this question is quite simple and anyone can do it. When you reconstitute your HGH (or what you think is HGH) you need to watch how it dissolves when it comes into contact with the water. Does it disappear instantly? If so then I doubt very much that you have HGH, what you want to be seeing are a few white flakes at the bottom of the vial which remain, you then need to gently swirl the bottle around until the disappear, this could take 30 seconds or more and is a very good indicator that what you have is real HGH, or what we commonly believe to be HGH...Update. It seems that the Chinese are able to create a substance that dissolves like HGH so beware that the remaining flakes are not always a sigh that your HGH is g2g.

    As we know the positive effects of HGH such as fat loss and muscle gain take a long time to begin to show and it is because of this that we often rely on the side effects such as bloat and CTS to give us the reassurance that our HGH is real. One of my major concerns is that the counterfeiters may be one step ahead of us here, HGH is not only very expensive to produce it’s also very difficult and must be done in controlled lab conditions. This leads me on to what may be a huge undiscovered scam in the world of HGH, I am going to point the finger at China because that is where the vast majority of HGH used by ‘us’ comes from and they are probably the worlds number one counterfeiting nation.

    I believe that there are many drugs available that will cause the body to retain water but not so many that will cause CTS and I only know one that will cause both, HGH. However let’s not be naive here, the Chinese may be producing a drug that reconstitutes like HGH and causes the same side effects as HGH but without the benefits and I believe that they may be fooling many thousands of unsuspecting users all around the world. If this is happening then we need to help eachother and to do this we need everybody who is using ‘black market’ HGH to share their results with us on this thread.

    Have you been using HGH for a while and experiencing the side effects but not seeing any benefits?

    Have you or are you experiencing bloat but no CTS? If so are you seeing fat loss and muscle gain?

    Please share your experiences guys and girls, this is imporatnt so we can all be at ease about what we are putting into our bodies.
    Let me share my knowledge and experience, I know for a FACT there is NO real IGF-1 out of China. I knew this from contacts in China and the US government. They're not licensed and this is further confirmed by Ken Stone who monitors China products,

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    So if there's no real authentic(licensed) IGF-1 in China? The million dollar question is what have they been selling as their IGF-1? They've been selling Chinese IGF-1 as IGTROPIN and generic blue tops IGF-1. So what's in their? I know its NOT real authentic IGF-1. Guys they make this stuff in backyards, bathrooms and UG factories in China. Another major issue is the very poor quality control standards in China. We know China has the worst quality control standards in the world. Its confirmed by the UN. Their quality control for both food and pharmaceuticals is horrible. Not only are they the world leaders of professional counterfeiting, pretty much all their meds are counterfeit. They sell counterfeit food and meds to their own people, so imagine what they give to foreigners such as us. Chinese industry does NOT comply with any patent or copyright laws and the Chinese government supports it because its a huge part of their economy.
    They make the fake viagras, fake rolexes, fake designer label clothes, fake electronics(ipods,iphones,ipads). You think they're not going to make fake IGF-1 and HGH too? Don't be naive.....
    They even counterfeit on top of each other, for example they counterfeit the jintropins. Truth is even if there was real jintropin, I personally would never inject Chinese pharmaceuticals into my body! I respect and love my health for that.... NEVER inject a drug that has questionable quality control? The Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank because ignorant bodybuilders keep injecting chinese drugs into their bodys not knowing what the long term effects will be. Gene or cell mutations? It amazes me and mind boggles me why people would inject something into their blood knowing it has no quality control and is a possible counterfeit too. How much is your health really worth?
    The saying is true "you get what you pay for..." "If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck it is a duck!"
    Truth is if you know where to look and have the right hook up you can get US made hgh and real receptor grade igf-1 at good prices.

    Hope this helps you...

  31. #751
    Quote Originally Posted by peter klein View Post
    Let me share my knowledge and experience, I know for a FACT there is NO real IGF-1 out of China. I knew this from contacts in China and the US government. They're not licensed and this is further confirmed by Ken Stone who monitors China products,
    Here's the link to Ken Stone regarding IGF-1 from China, scroll down to IGF-1 http://www.ecademy.com/module.php?mo...file&fid=30761

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter klein View Post
    So if there's no real authentic(licensed) IGF-1 in China? The million dollar question is what have they been selling as their IGF-1? They've been selling Chinese IGF-1 as IGTROPIN and generic blue tops IGF-1. So what's in their? I know its NOT real authentic IGF-1. Guys they make this stuff in backyards, bathrooms and UG factories in China. Another major issue is the very poor quality control standards in China. We know China has the worst quality control standards in the world. Its confirmed by the UN. Their quality control for both food and pharmaceuticals is horrible. Not only are they the world leaders of professional counterfeiting, pretty much all their meds are counterfeit. They sell counterfeit food and meds to their own people, so imagine what they give to foreigners such as us. Chinese industry does NOT comply with any patent or copyright laws and the Chinese government supports it because its a huge part of their economy.
    They make the fake viagras, fake rolexes, fake designer label clothes, fake electronics(ipods,iphones,ipads). You think they're not going to make fake IGF-1 and HGH too? Don't be naive.....
    They even counterfeit on top of each other, for example they counterfeit the jintropins. Truth is even if there was real jintropin, I personally would never inject Chinese pharmaceuticals into my body! I respect and love my health for that.... NEVER inject a drug that has questionable quality control? The Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank because ignorant bodybuilders keep injecting chinese drugs into their bodys not knowing what the long term effects will be. Gene or cell mutations? It amazes me and mind boggles me why people would inject something into their blood knowing it has no quality control and is a possible counterfeit too. How much is your health really worth?
    The saying is true "you get what you pay for..." "If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck it is a duck!"
    Truth is if you know where to look and have the right hook up you can get US made hgh and real receptor grade igf-1 at good prices.

    Hope this helps you...
    This is what this thread is all about and I agree on all aspects.

    Please edit your post asking members to pm you, this will get you ban. We are not a source board whether on the open board or in private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimInAK View Post
    I use ZRT Laboratories' "blood spot" kit, which I receive by mail and return by UPS (human blood cannot be lawfully sent through the mail). ZRT works for me from Alaska and should work from anywhere in the USA. Their link is: www.zrtlab.com and the cost of the IGF-1 test was a little less than $100 the last time I had one done.
    Ordered an IGF-1 blood spot testing kit yesterday, am currently taking 2 iu HGH in the morning and 2 iu in the early evening, 5 days on 2 days off.

    What results should I get if my HGH is active?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit N Fun View Post
    Ordered an IGF-1 blood spot testing kit yesterday, am currently taking 2 iu HGH in the morning and 2 iu in the early evening, 5 days on 2 days off.

    What results should I get if my HGH is active?
    Do we know of any labs that will test a vial of HGH ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit N Fun View Post
    Ordered an IGF-1 blood spot testing kit yesterday, am currently taking 2 iu HGH in the morning and 2 iu in the early evening, 5 days on 2 days off.

    What results should I get if my HGH is active?
    Mine was 492 on 4iu ED, no AAS. What was your baseline?

  36. #756
    Almost all UG AAS raws come from china, why is it impossible for them to make HGH also ?
    I mean, if they can fake electronics and make faktories that copies a whole line of products and has its own customer suppurt even..
    Yes they do fake everything in the world, but they also make the real deal to.

    Also, why would packages get siezed if there is no hormone in there? I have had packages get siezed and then shipped forward to me with some of the conten still in there, I can only imagine that they tested it and it came out as a non illigal one.
    While with HGH, I don't get it if its siezed. eighter this means there is hgh in there, or there is something else illegal in there.

    There must be someone out there that has ordered HGH online and then get called in to the police for questioning when it got siezed ?
    they usually test it before they call you in.. thats what they did to me, but wasn't avout the hgh that time...

    Anyone ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit N Fun View Post
    Ordered an IGF-1 blood spot testing kit yesterday, am currently taking 2 iu HGH in the morning and 2 iu in the early evening, 5 days on 2 days off.

    What results should I get if my HGH is active?
    Your IGF-1 reading should roughly increase about 80 to 100ng/ml per 1 iu per day for each unit you are taking. You need to test before taking HGH to establish your baseline reading, in order to observe an accurate increase in IGF-1. If you are older, as I am, you can expect a baseline reading of around 150, although individuals do vary.

    It also takes time to raise your IGF-1 level. I took my first IGF-1 test after 4 daily HGH doses and my IGF-1 increase over baseline was only a 20% increase. After a month of taking HGH daily, my IGF-1 test result fully increased.

    The IGF-1 test is used medically because it provided a stable marker (an inferential reading) based on the effect that HGH has to promote your body to produce IGF-1. It's my understanding that testing for actual HGH production in your body is hit and miss, as your natural HGH release come in pulses.

    I hope this information is helpful.
    Last edited by JimInAK; 08-19-2011 at 03:14 PM.

  38. #758
    Quote Originally Posted by Markosterone View Post
    Almost all UG AAS raws come from china, why is it impossible for them to make HGH also ?
    I mean, if they can fake electronics and make faktories that copies a whole line of products and has its own customer suppurt even..
    Yes they do fake everything in the world, but they also make the real deal to.

    Also, why would packages get siezed if there is no hormone in there? I have had packages get siezed and then shipped forward to me with some of the conten still in there, I can only imagine that they tested it and it came out as a non illigal one.
    While with HGH, I don't get it if its siezed. eighter this means there is hgh in there, or there is something else illegal in there.

    There must be someone out there that has ordered HGH online and then get called in to the police for questioning when it got siezed ?
    they usually test it before they call you in.. thats what they did to me, but wasn't avout the hgh that time...

    Anyone ?
    Customs doesn't test suspected illegal substances. They just send you a letter saying that they are holding a suspected illegal substance addressed to you and if you want it then you need to notify them or come and get it within 30 days or it will be incinerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Yes I have a lab what will test the hgh, pm me
    ill be starting HGH legally on sept 1rst ! Marcus, ive been doing a lot of research on the drug itself and different ways of getting it. I too believe china HGH is really IGF. It sure would be nice to pick up some Hyge.s for those great prices and have it be HGH. This just isnt the case. I think at best some generic companys do sell HGH however its extremely underdosed and its got who know what added to it.

    So im making the plung, im going to "PAY" for the real stuff. Its actually not That bad. Im going to run 1.5 IUs at first and go from there. Im looking to cut up at this point. Marcus, you think 1.5 or 2 IUs of Pharma grade is good for cutting ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman View Post
    Customs doesn't test suspected illegal substances. They just send you a letter saying that they are holding a suspected illegal substance addressed to you and if you want it then you need to notify them or come and get it within 30 days or it will be incinerated.
    Bro, I once got called in to the police for questioning because they siezed a package of tabs.
    Belive me when I say this, they had it tested. I had to sit there and lie about it not being mine. They asked me if I knew what it was and I said no. She then asked me if I knew what ********* and ********** was, I said no. They had it all on paper.
    They actually asked me by the hormone's real name, and I dont think they can google it by the looks of the pills...

    They do test it if they want to bust your ass...

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