Do any vets have ANYTHING good to say about Prohormones?

[Bonaparte]

There are very few real PHs left.
However, the designer steroids still available are certainly potent and will give results comparable to many traditional oral AAS (but with maybe more sides and less unknown health risks).
The real problem with OTC steroids is that they rarely get stacked with test, so you're just doing an oral cycle. And if oral cycles of AAS are generally considered shitty, why would a DS cycle be any different?
But I know of plenty of guys who prefer Superdrol or Epi to Dbol or Winstrol in a test cycle.

And "juiceplease", please stop spouting misinformation. You don't know what you're talking about. None of the compounds you have mentioned require a conversion to another hormone in order to work. So they are steroids. And they don't boost test, so it doesn't really matter what your baseline T levels look like.

[Bonaparte]

I never said that they convert.
Yeah, you did. You said that epi is 1 molecule away from a real steroid (which is a statement that any high school kid who paid attention in chemistry can tell you is wrong, since a steroid is comprised of a single molecule).
Even tho they DO! You can get gyno from prohormones.
No shit. They're steroids and have all the same side effects.
If you read the back of the package ad it says you can get a false positive for juice then yes it can convert.
THERE IS NO CONVERSION! That's my whole point. They are active steroids that have not been banned yet.
I know plenty of people you have had to get breast surgery after using some prohormones.
And the whole basline test coment isnt wrong either if you have low test you are more sensitive to these products. Thus why so many men over 35 report having such great gains and people around 20-25 really have none...
Really? Ask member "Thebigshow" here if they don't work for younger guys with high test.
Its the same concept that if my test is a 180 and use 200mg of test my test levels will probably become higher than a guy a whose test is naturally 1200 and uses 200mg of the same test since there is less in my body my body absorbs it much faster and effecintly...
Baseline T levels make no difference when using steroids (especially highly suppressive ones), since by the time most start working, you're already shut down anyway. This is why nobody adjusts their doses based on their natural test levels

And steroids arent required to convert to another hormone to work they convert as a side effect that is why some people convert more than others also depends on your genes. If what you are saying is true than every guy that used 200mg of test a week would have the same conversion rate to estrogen and dht that is false!!! everyones body is differnt
What does this have to do with anything? Aromatase and 5a-reductase have nothing to do with the current designer steroids available.

Answers in bold. I'm not advocating the use of oral designer steroids (quite frankly, I don't care what other people use), but absurd comments and misinformation piss me off.

[DAAS]

Answers in bold. I'm not advocating the use of oral designer steroids (quite frankly, I don't care what other people use), but absurd comments and misinformation piss me off.

Like I said sounds like a parrot. Im not claiming to know every thing, but I know that you sound like an idiot(juiceplease)

[DAAS]

There are very few real PHs left.
However, the designer steroids still available are certainly potent and will give results comparable to many traditional oral AAS (but with maybe more sides and less unknown health risks).
The real problem with OTC steroids is that they rarely get stacked with test, so you're just doing an oral cycle. And if oral cycles of AAS are generally considered shitty, why would a DS cycle be any different?
But I know of plenty of guys who prefer Superdrol or Epi to Dbol or Winstrol in a test cycle.

And "juiceplease", please stop spouting misinformation. You don't know what you're talking about. None of the compounds you have mentioned require a conversion to another hormone in order to work. So they are steroids. And they don't boost test, so it doesn't really matter what your baseline T levels look like.

THANK you Bonaparte.
And for who ever said I just want to hear some one say that Prohormones are good, thats not at all what im looking to hear. But I hear allot of bad rep, about prohormones, most of which are true.
But I feel like there are a few out there that have good purpose, and for example if you using a 17aa steroid like winny, then you might as well take a oral that you can buy at your local sports nutrition shop.
I also didnt say that winny is for mass....

As far as EPISTANE i have heard allot of awesome things about it. It will dry your joints out though...

[NewbFromCali]

I never said that they convert. Even tho they DO! You can get gyno from prohormones. If you read the back of the package ad it says you can get a false positive for juice then yes it can convert. I know plenty of people you have had to get breast surgery after using some prohormones. And the whole basline test coment isnt wrong either if you have low test you are more sensitive to these products. Thus why so many men over 35 report having such great gains and people around 20-25 really have none...Its the same concept that if my test is a 180 and use 200mg of test my test levels will probably become higher than a guy a whose test is naturally 1200 and uses 200mg of the same test since there is less in my body my body absorbs it much faster and effecintly... And steroids arent required to convert to another hormone to work they convert as a side effect that is why some people convert more than others also depends on your genes. If what you are saying is true than every guy that used 200mg of test a week would have the same conversion rate to estrogen and dht that is false!!! everyones body is differnt

Definitely just had surgery after using them on and off for a couple years.