Need some solid, non-bashing advice

[LadyKiller12]

Hi guys,

When I graduated high school (age 19) I was 5'8 102lbs and 2-3% body fat. Around the age 21 I got fed up with being a girl and hit the gym pretty hard, with a solid 3500 calorie diet, creatine, protein (about 150-200g/day) and in a matter of 6 months I was 135lbs. I never felt better in my entire life (even though I was still small), I looked healthy. I continued to lift regularly for about another year until my gym went out of business. I was at about 142ish pounds, but had sort of plateaued. Not seeing massive gains/results like before I became discouraged and "took some time off". I kept most of the weight until I was 24 (135lbs), and decided to hit the gym again. Within a short time I was back up to 140 where I currently am today (25 years old.)

I don't want to be huge. If I could get somewhere around 150 - 155 I think I'd be the happiest guy alive. (Here is where I don't want to get totally flamed, just be critical and helpful).

I've been thinking about doing a pretty weak cycle to just give me the "boost" I need to get to where I think I would look correct. What do you think about an anavar only cycle 50mg/day? Initially, I wanted to do a cycle of HGH because of the incredible things it does for your body besides just give you that "boost". Don't have to worry about sexual side effects and hair loss (ugh). Anavar is much cheaper, and if I get burned, well I can live with myself.

Anyway, can I expect to see gains using anavar and a high card/high protein 3500 calorie diet? And this is the clincher for me ... will this dosage likely or unlikely give me sexual side effects? If so, will my natural libido/test return after pct? Please provide your honest, critical answers without bashing the he** out of me. I appreciate all of your time..

[songdog]

Bro you are underweight if you try aas if you gain anything.You will loose it.You need to hit the diet section.There is where you will get your boost.

[nobloat]

first you should stop lying . 19 yo 5 foot 8 and 102 lbs . 120 lbs would be deathly skinny for someon 5 foot 8. If your telling the truth about your age and weight now. A low dose cycle of dbol (20 mgs a day) would be great along with a high calorie high carb and high protein diet. Its a cheap steroid . the sides are not that bad at a low dose . And the increase in water weight is not bad for someone naturally thin.

[gixxerboy1]

You said it yourself its your diet. You increased food and you gained weight. Well you gained all the weight you could with the food you were eating. You have to keep increasing your calories as you keep going.

anavar will suppress your natural hormones. So you can have sexual side effects. You natural should return with a good pct. But if you arent eating the right way you will loose what ever you gained.

HGH will not do what you want.

please edit your post. It sounds like you are fishing for a source and you cant discuss prices here.

[TheClinch]

Hi guys,

When I graduated high school (age 19) I was 5'8 102lbs and 2-3% body fat. Around the age 21 I got fed up with being a girl and hit the gym pretty hard, with a solid 3500 calorie diet, creatine, protein (about 150-200g/day) and in a matter of 6 months I was 135lbs. I never felt better in my entire life (even though I was still small), I looked healthy. I continued to lift regularly for about another year until my gym went out of business. I was at about 142ish pounds, but had sort of plateaued. Not seeing massive gains/results like before I became discouraged and "took some time off". I kept most of the weight until I was 24 (135lbs), and decided to hit the gym again. Within a short time I was back up to 140 where I currently am today (25 years old.)

I don't want to be huge. If I could get somewhere around 150 - 155 I think I'd be the happiest guy alive. (Here is where I don't want to get totally flamed, just be critical and helpful).

I've been thinking about doing a pretty weak cycle to just give me the "boost" I need to get to where I think I would look correct. What do you think about an anavar only cycle 50mg/day? Initially, I wanted to do a cycle of HGH because of the incredible things it does for your body besides just give you that "boost". Don't have to worry about sexual side effects and hair loss (ugh). But I can't find a reliable online source that I'm willing to just drop 1,000 on. Anavar is much cheaper, and if I get burned $200, well I can live with myself.

Anyway, can I expect to see gains using anavar and a high card/high protein 3500 calorie diet? And this is the clincher for me ... will this dosage likely or unlikely give me sexual side effects? If so, will my natural libido/test return after pct? Please provide your honest, critical answers without bashing the he** out of me. I appreciate all of your time..

Firstly, I think you have been doing great building up to 140lbs naturally! Good work in 6 years in my opinion! I imagine if you fine tuned your diet you would probably have gained a little more but none the less you have done great amigo!

Secondly, you really are not supposed to be fishing for sources on this board. Even if it was unintentional and just a matter of speaking it still appears to be fishing for sources so watch out for scam emails from now on. People are here waiting to prey on others who can not find a source. Build up your posts, get to know people around here then later ask if you can get a source check to see if it is legit.

Thirdly, at your lighter weight most people would suggest that you are not physically prepared enough to avoid an injury from the rapid strength increase that you will experience with AAS. However, it appears you have been hitting the gym fairly regularly and because of that you have most likely strengthened your tendons and ligaments enough to use AAS. Keep in mind, AAS will not build tendon and ligament strength like the muscle strength you will receive. You should be able to use AAS without being in serious risk of injury at your weight, just don't over reach your abilities too much when you start lifting heavier weights. My $.02.

Lastly, It isn't completely necessary with Anavar to use it with test because it is relatively mild on the HTPA, but it would be wise. The reason being that with time Anavar will shut down your natural testosterone production leaving you to deal with the sides of a testosterone free body. This would include sexual sides which you indicated you wish to avoid. A dose of 250mg/week is more than enough to avoid this.
In conjunction with these last words must be the reccomendation that you learn what PCT is and have it in your hands BEFORE YOU START using AAS.

[daem]

How much alcohol do you drink per week? Do you do other recreational drugs, such as marijuana, cocaine, x, etc?

[LadyKiller12]

Post edited... No I'm not asking for sources. @gixxerboy:Why do you say HGH won't do what I want? So is everyone suggesting that a weak player like anavar won't give me a "boost" that I'll be able to maintain afterwards? I feel like I could certainly maintain a 10 to 15 lb increase..

[LadyKiller12]

@TheClinch -- extremely helpful post. Very much appreciated that you took the time to help out a complete stranger to the forum.
@daem -- I drink socially on the weekends, maybe a six pack, and I do not do any type of recreational drugs ever.

[nobloat]

you would be happier with dbol . Its great for guys who are natually skinny. I have used both dbol and var your situational goal lean my opinion toward d bol

[gixxerboy1]

Post edited... No I'm not asking for sources. @gixxerboy:Why do you say HGH won't do what I want? So is everyone suggesting that a weak player like anavar won't give me a "boost" that I'll be able to maintain afterwards? I feel like I could certainly maintain a 10 to 15 lb increase..

hgh doesnt really put on size. plus your not older so i do doubt your lagging naturally.

if you arent eating enough to support the weight now you wont be able to support it after. Steroids arent made for a boost to make up for poor diet.

[TheClinch]

hgh doesnt really put on size. plus your not older so i do doubt your lagging naturally.

if you arent eating enough to support the weight now you wont be able to support it after. Steroids arent made for a boost to make up for poor diet.

Gixxerboy1 is 100% correct!

[nobloat]

why dose everybody assume his diet is poor . He is done great so far . Like he said "he hit a plateu " even with his hard work and diet . I actually think this is the best and most responsible time to start a first cycle of aas . NOT HGH THOUGH. PS - you sound like a rich kid

[LadyKiller12]

@nobloat -- thanks for the suggestion, I'll hit the boards researching dbol/var cycles.
@gixxerboy1 -- well said about supporting the weight. I do have a very solid diet though, and I am confident that I can maintain a 150lb frame. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this why people turn to steroids in the first place, to break past their personal plateaus? Otherwise we'd all just be eating more, training more, and staying off the aas. You are correct that I do need to re-think my diet in terms of putting in more a day.

[gixxerboy1]

why dose everybody assume his diet is poor . He is done great so far . Likke he said "he hit a plateu " even with his hard work and diet . I actually think this is the best and most responsible time to start a cycle.

he hit a plateau because he needs to increase his diet. He has done great but he went as far as he can with the diet he is on. you have to constantly keep increasing food

[daem]

Alcohol does not help your cause. The calories are empty and have absolutely no nutrition. Eliminate this first and don't drink for 6 weeks to see if you could even mentally handle running a cycle.

While you increase your calories with a proper diet and training plan, you should work on getting at least 500-750 calories above your maintenance needs if you want to grow.

I agree with gixxer in that HGH is not for you. I would also stay away from anavar until you've cleaned up the other things mentioned above and gotten some blood work done to see where your hormones are to ensure you don't have any complications that a drug might exacerbate.

Think of it like this...Steroids are like a plane ride from a starting destination to another place. However, before you board the plane, there are a bunch of other things you need to do first in sequence if you are going to successfully board it.

Pick a date to leave, buy a ticket, pack your bags, get a ride to the airport, check in, go through security, go to your gate, etc. Your current plan is almost like saying "I want to fly today" and then going to the airport with none of the other stuff in place and no destination in mind. See where I'm going with this? You have way more work to do before you can get on the plane that will take you to your target destination.

Think of using as a process that has many steps leading up to the actual steroid use. Hours of planning, preparation, tweaks, and improvements are necessary before you even consider taking them.

Best of luck to you.

[gixxerboy1]

@nobloat -- thanks for the suggestion, I'll hit the boards researching dbol/var cycles.
@gixxerboy1 -- well said about supporting the weight. I do have a very solid diet though, and I am confident that I can maintain a 150lb frame. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this why people turn to steroids in the first place, to break past their personal plateaus? Otherwise we'd all just be eating more, training more, and staying off the aas. You are correct that I do need to re-think my diet in terms of putting in more a day.

i'm not saying your diet is bad. But it is enough to support the weight you are at. What do you think your body will make the the extra 10-15lbs out of? If you eat more you will gain more. Either fat or muscle but you will gain weight. So right now you are eating enough for 140lbs. Post what you eat up for a typical day

[nobloat]

I agree with the food increase , But 3,500 cals a day and 200 g of protein at 5 foot 8 is good I think . I don't think starting a cycle is unreasonable.

[LadyKiller12]

@daem -- well said, thank you.
@gixxerboy1 -- my diet is nearly the same everyday, with small changes to meals here and there... typically: Morning -- 2 eggs, 2 packets of oatmeal, two pieces of cheese, multi-vitamin, flaxseed oil, protein shake. 2 hours later -- pb sandwich, fruits/and or berries, nuts. 2 hours later -- (this is lunchtime at work, so I have to grab something quick -- usually subway 6in something or other and flaxseed oil). 2 hours later -- granola bar, 2 hardboiled eggs. Dinner -- two/three tilapia filets, rice/veg of some sort or penne pasta, potato of some sort and protein shake + flaxseed. Then I usually don't eat again until about 9... last night I had raviolis and a half a tuna sandwich.

[gixxerboy1]

@daem -- well said, thank you.
@gixxerboy1 -- my diet is nearly the same everyday, with small changes to meals here and there... typically: Morning -- 2 eggs, 2 packets of oatmeal, two pieces of cheese, multi-vitamin, flaxseed oil, protein shake. 2 hours later -- pb sandwich, fruits/and or berries, nuts. 2 hours later -- (this is lunchtime at work, so I have to grab something quick -- usually subway 6in something or other and flaxseed oil). 2 hours later -- granola bar, 2 hardboiled eggs. Dinner -- two/three tilapia filets, rice/veg of some sort or penne pasta, potato of some sort and protein shake + flaxseed. Then I usually don't eat again until about 9... last night I had raviolis and a half a tuna sandwich.

And there is your problem.

[gixxerboy1]

there is a diet section on here. Do some reading and lay yourself out a new plan and post it up. Others will help you fine tune it, But all your issues are your diet

[Hazard]

@daem -- well said, thank you.
@gixxerboy1 -- my diet is nearly the same everyday, with small changes to meals here and there... typically: Morning -- 2 eggs, 2 packets of oatmeal, two pieces of cheese, multi-vitamin, flaxseed oil, protein shake. <--- NOT ENOUGH FOOD! You should be eating 1cup of oatmeal (non instant) with atleast 6 eggwhites. A yolk or two wont kill you. 2 hours later -- pb sandwich, fruits/and or berries, nuts. <---- A peanutbutter and jelly sandwich? really? Your saying your diet is great but thats your lunch meal? Thats fine for a 5th grader bro..... not someone who wants to put on weight. 2 hours later -- (this is lunchtime at work, so I have to grab something quick -- usually subway 6in something or other and flaxseed oil). <---- Subway isn't necessarily a bad choice because you've got a fast metabolism...... but you need to start getting 12" double chicken breast sandwiches. A 6" sandwich wouldn't fill a caviy. 2 hours later -- granola bar, 2 hardboiled eggs. <---- As a "between meal" it's not that bad..... i'd have more hardboiled eggs minus the yolks. Dinner -- two/three tilapia filets, rice/veg of some sort or penne pasta, potato of some sort and protein shake + flaxseed. <---- Not a bad dinner meal. Then I usually don't eat again until about 9... last night I had raviolis and a half a tuna sandwich.

Comments in bold.....^^^^

Listen..... your diet is severely lacking IMO. You want to put on weight..... try this.....

Everynight when your at home cook up 2 lbs of ground chicken and 4 cups of brown rice. Substitute 1lb of chicken and 2 cups of brown rice for ur PB&J meal and the other 1lb of chicken and 2 cups of brown rice for your lunch instead of subway. Eat a bigger breakfast and stick with the same dinner..... you'll grow.

With the diet you have..... even if you add 15lbs..... you'll eventually lose it over time. You might look bigger for 2 months..... and then it'll start to taper out.

Lastly..... People turn to steroids for a ton of different reason. THey want to be a body builder, they want to increase their sports performance, etc.... but turning to steroids for a one time 10-15lb gain doesn't make sense. You can achieve that naturally and for you it should be as easy as eating better......

~Haz~

[LadyKiller12]

You guys have been a lot of help. I guess the problem is... I'm so damn full all the time!! I don't know how I could possibly throw down another 1-2 pounds of meat/protein. I know I eat more and more often than most people who are double the weight of me! I figured var would help me to bump up a personal barrier that I find hard to break. I'm 25, old enough to give it a shot, and smart about everything that I do. But if you guys sincerely feel as if I shouldn't think about it, and stick to diet then that's likely what I'll do. For the record, though, not one person thinks aas will help jumpstart things for me? I should stick to diet only? I guess the excitement of possibly breaking this barrier brought me to the forums and to all the questions I've had..

[werms]

Your sessions in the gym might be lacking.
How many reps do you do on weight? 6-8rep failures. Lift big eat big get big.

I went from 5'9 135lbs to 5'9 191lbs in 5 years (Natural)

[Bonaparte]

Just start gorging yourself. It doesn't need to be clean.
In your situation, eating a large McDonald's meal instead of nothing (or one of those little BS "meals" of yours) would be beneficial.
Your stomach gets used to whatever you throw at it. So if you start forcing yourself to eat more, it will become easier in a few weeks.
BTW, Subway just started selling a pulled pork sub. From now on, eat that. And make it a foot-long. 6" subs are for women, children, and the obese.

[dec11]

first you should stop lying . 19 yo 5 foot 8 and 102 lbs . 120 lbs would be deathly skinny for someon 5 foot 8. If your telling the truth about your age and weight now. A low dose cycle of dbol (20 mgs a day) would be great along with a high calorie high carb and high protein diet. Its a cheap steroid . the sides are not that bad at a low dose . And the increase in water weight is not bad for someone naturally thin.

please dont 'advise' on here until you know what you are talking about. OP, do not do this

[Honkey_Kong]

You guys have been a lot of help. I guess the problem is... I'm so damn full all the time!! I don't know how I could possibly throw down another 1-2 pounds of meat/protein. I know I eat more and more often than most people who are double the weight of me! I figured var would help me to bump up a personal barrier that I find hard to break. I'm 25, old enough to give it a shot, and smart about everything that I do. But if you guys sincerely feel as if I shouldn't think about it, and stick to diet then that's likely what I'll do. For the record, though, not one person thinks aas will help jumpstart things for me? I should stick to diet only? I guess the excitement of possibly breaking this barrier brought me to the forums and to all the questions I've had..

You know what? If you force feed yourself for a month to the point where you constantly feel like you've over-ate, you'll notice your appetite will increase. At 5'8, 150lbs is easily attainable naturally. I highly advise you to not touch the juice and focus your efforts on your diet and training.

Just start gorging yourself. It doesn't need to be clean.
In your situation, eating a large McDonald's meal instead of nothing (or one of those little BS "meals" of yours) would be beneficial.
Your stomach gets used to whatever you throw at it. So if you start forcing yourself to eat more, it will become easier in a few weeks.
BTW, Subway just started selling a pulled pork sub. From now on, eat that. And make it a foot-long. 6" subs are for women, children, and the obese.

You know Subway has that cheesesteak that is pretty decent too. Or if the OP is in the LA area, a meal of Roscoe's Chicken and Waffle is a good way to live life. But yeah I agree with you about how he shouldn't worry about clean calories and just start hitting the buffets and fast food as if it's the last supper.

[dec11]

im a bit concerned at the advice to eat junk food lads

[Bonaparte]

im a bit concerned at the advice to eat junk food lads

Why? His problem is that he isn't getting enough cals. Fast food is a very easy way to get more cals.
Who cares if he puts on a few pounds of fat along the way? He can always clean up his diet later once he is at a better weight.

[chuckt12345]

3500 calories is plenty enough to gain weight (on a 140lb frame),, you just have a high metabolism.

[gixxerboy1]

3500 calories is plenty enough to gain weight (on a 140lb frame),, you just have a high metabolism.

i doubt that is 3500 calories