"Warning" Gay Marriage Discussion

[crazy_rocks]

this is a hot issue. great points can be brought up from both sides. some dont want to change the definition of marriage that it is something that happens between a man and a women that goes far before govt got involved but at the same time who is the govt to interfere in your personal life and say you cant get married?

[gixxerboy1]

this is a hot issue. great points can be brought up from both sides. some dont want to change the definition of marriage that it is something that happens between a man and a women that goes far before govt got involved but at the same time who is the govt to interfere in your personal life and say you cant get married?

Why arent all the people who are claiming to be protecting the institute of marriage and all it meanings complaining about the marriage game shows and ect. I can goto a place on the LV strip and get married by an Elvis impersonator to some girl i meet 10 mins earlier drunk out of my mind. Or the game shows the bachelor , i want to marry a millionaire and ect. Yet no protest about them yet we need to protect the institution of marriage.

[spywizard]

Where are our muslim brothers at???

If you don't stand for something, you'll laydown for anything...

Calling people "Bible Thumpers" is the same as calling homosexuals

"queer, faggots"

same as using the words like "Nazi, communist, rednecks, trailer trash etc"

Attempting to label someone with a distasteful or emotional word is simply trying to demean and or lessen them if they do not adhere or have the same values as you..

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

So, if we are going to have a discussion/debate about this, lets talk about the benefits and or advantages to the process..

[wmaousley]

Where are our muslim brothers at???

If you don't stand for something, you'll laydown for anything...

Calling people "Bible Thumpers" is the same as calling homosexuals

"queer, faggots"

same as using the words like "Nazi, communist, rednecks, trailer trash etc"

Attempting to label someone with a distasteful or emotional word is simply trying to demean and or lessen them if they do not adhere or have the same values as you..

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

So, if we are going to have a discussion/debate about this, lets talk about the benefits and or advantages to the process..

We are here, well I am here. My religion has taught me homosexuality is a sin, and one who embraces this practice will go to hell. Having said that, personally I don't give a damn who anyone marries or the sexual preferences of anyone. Its not how I look at people.

[Times Roman]

We are here, well I am here. My religion has taught me homosexuality is a sin, and one who embraces this practice will go to hell. Having said that, personally I don't give a damn who anyone marries or the sexual preferences of anyone. Its not how I look at people.

if that is true, and I imagine it is, then how do muslims explain the very high rate of homosexuality? last statistic is a majority of muslim men engage in homosexual activity. or is it just a form of hypocracy? not trying to slam you, but you do have to admit that if it is such a terrible sin, then why do the majority of muslim men (here) engage in it?
or is homosexuality a "minor" sin in the muslim world?

[spywizard]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1111114493161

Asked about Iran Executing Gays, "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Mr Ahmadinejad said

now i don't get it who's correct??

[Shol'va]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1111114493161

Asked about Iran Executing Gays, "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Mr Ahmadinejad said

now i don't get it who's correct??

I think what Mr. Im-a-nut-job meant to say was that in Iran Homosexuals keep extremely underground for fear of death and that keeps them out of site therefore we have none here. Not to mention that they don't call them homosexuals over there so since they are not called that then none exist. He's a piss poor politician, but when it all boils down to it there are only two things that his people don't like about him...his face.

[Times Roman]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1111114493161

Asked about Iran Executing Gays, "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Mr Ahmadinejad said

now i don't get it who's correct??

when was the last time you felt politicians from Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan, etc.... spoke the truth about anything?

[wmaousley]

if that is true, and I imagine it is, then how do muslims explain the very high rate of homosexuality? last statistic is a majority of muslim men engage in homosexual activity. or is it just a form of hypocracy? not trying to slam you, but you do have to admit that if it is such a terrible sin, then why do the majority of muslim men (here) engage in it?
or is homosexuality a "minor" sin in the Muslim world?

This is for everyone's information. The Muslim world has its share of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Rapist, Theives, liars, Murderers, Homosexuals, Heterosexuals, transgendered, Hard Workers, educated people ect just like in your country. Why is Islam held at a higher standard or always brought up in discussions. Why cant we talk about Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism ect?

TR-Homosexuality is a major sin in Islam, and I cant answer your question regarding the Pashtun people of Afghanistan.

[Times Roman]

This is for everyone's information. The Muslim world has its share of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Rapist, Theives, liars, Murderers, Homosexuals, Heterosexuals, transgendered, Hard Workers, educated people ect just like in your country. Why is Islam held at a higher standard or always brought up in discussions. Why cant we talk about Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism ect?

TR-Homosexuality is a major sin in Islam, and I cant answer your question regarding the Pashtun people of Afghanistan.

Obviously this is true. clearly. But with many muslims here, they look at us expats like we are some type of contamination, and the root cause of many of their problems.

Muslims drink, obviously, because it is brought here with us expats???

So the thinking of some of the clerics here, is that if they get rid of the expats, then the drinking problem goes too. In other words, we get blamed for many of the ills of their society, when in fact, quite commonly, we have nothing to do with the root cause of the problem.

I'm not saying their problems are any worse than ours. what I am saying, is if i took such a ridiculous position as many here take, blaming problems on others, it would have been challanged many times over, and the BS flag would have been raised long ago.

[crazy_rocks]

Why arent all the people who are claiming to be protecting the institute of marriage and all it meanings complaining about the marriage game shows and ect. I can goto a place on the LV strip and get married by an Elvis impersonator to some girl i meet 10 mins earlier drunk out of my mind. Or the game shows the bachelor , i want to marry a millionaire and ect. Yet no protest about them yet we need to protect the institution of marriage.

hell i dont know. its a wacky world. theres nothing they can really can do about those corny tv shows with the argument of protecting the institute. it wouldnt work, however they could use their arguments to protect from what is yet to be imposed. thats the best way i can answer that. and you may not like the idea of those tacky vegas type things where you can marry someone off the bat but look at the other option. do you want laws saying you cant marry someone unless you have been together for 2 years? id rather keep the tackiness.

as far as gay marriage goes im not gonna state my opinion on the topic because its so hard for me to be sure. there really are good points on both sides. my answer is allow the states to govern themselves on such topics that way its not imposed on large populations that have decided against it. that is the truly fair way to handle it. the states right to govern itself is the beauty of this country that many people are forgetting about and unfortunately seems to be eroding.

[gixxerboy1]

hell i dont know. its a wacky world. theres nothing they can really can do about those corny tv shows with the argument of protecting the institute. it wouldnt work, however they could use their arguments to protect from what is yet to be imposed. thats the best way i can answer that. and you may not like the idea of those tacky vegas type things where you can marry someone off the bat but look at the other option. do you want laws saying you cant marry someone unless you have been together for 2 years? id rather keep the tackiness.

as far as gay marriage goes im not gonna state my opinion on the topic because its so hard for me to be sure. there really are good points on both sides. my answer is allow the states to govern themselves on such topics that way its not imposed on large populations that have decided against it. that is the truly fair way to handle it. the states right to govern itself is the beauty of this country that many people are forgetting about and unfortunately seems to be eroding.

Oh i have no problem with the shows or vegas type weddings. Just using that as an argument about the so called institute of marriage thats so important to protect. Yes there is probably nothing they can do about them legally, but you dont hear the big up roar or any comments or boycott the shows because they diminish the sanctity of marriage.

i dont understand how gay marriage being legal effects any other marriage. Is some happy couple going to get divorced because a gay couple next door gets married?

[brad1986]

Why arent all the people who are claiming to be protecting the institute of marriage and all it meanings complaining about the marriage game shows and ect. I can goto a place on the LV strip and get married by an Elvis impersonator to some girl i meet 10 mins earlier drunk out of my mind. Or the game shows the bachelor , i want to marry a millionaire and ect. Yet no protest about them yet we need to protect the institution of marriage.

excellent point. I want to see sombody try to argue this one

[crazy_rocks]

excellent point. I want to see sombody try to argue this one

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