Anti-aging institute quote geez

[gixxerboy1]

The problem is, and we see it here time and time again; most GPs, Endos and Euros don't understand the correct TRT protocols and ongoing management. Additionally, most of those traditional Docs will follow lab ranges and not symptoms. So, it's a double whammy. If a guy presents with symptoms and is in the very low but normal range most of these traditional Docs won't do anything about it. Many of these traditional Docs want nothing to do with Hormones/Steroids due to the legal implications.

Restorative and Anti-Aging clinics don't operate this way for all the reasons we know. So, traditional insurance, won't cover the scenario above. Or, men do get coverage but get medical treatment that does not follow the correct TRT protocols so the guy ends up in a worse place.

Clinics, for the most part, get it. They are ones on the cutting edge. Hell, Dr. John Crilser is a clinic and does not accept insurance.

If a man is not clinically diagnosed with a hormone disorder but wants help to restore his optimal levels he will need to pay for it. The clinic the OP discusses is probably the one most would recognize and I think you'd get your monies worth. But the bigger question is; do you need all of that? And I say no, my entire TRT protocol with BW is less then $3,000 a year. Hell, I eat out more then that; so in perspective it's a great deal and a way to manage my health and well being beyond my dreams.

BTW, the game changer in monthly prices is HGH. It's freaking expensive. If you don't need it then go on a traditional TRT protocol and enjoy the results!

You cant blame dr's for treating labs and not symptoms. Granted if your labs are boarder line there should be some kind of discretion on the dr's part. But they shouldn't just write scripts cause YOU say you have a symptom. (not saying you personally but you know the system would be abused)
Most men i honestly feel don't need a laundry list of hrt drugs to get ride of symptoms or be normal if they have symptoms
I equate a lot of the hrt clinics to the pain management clinics of the day. You are going there to get what you want legally. They are charging you a premium for scripts.
I know people that used to go to those clinics for legal pain meds and when they wanted to steroids went to the anti-aging clinics.

[JD250]

You cant blame dr's for treating labs and not symptoms. .

Sure you can, they should listen to the patient, abuse of the system be damned, it's not their job to control it nor is it our concern that someone will find a way to abuse it. Those lab #s are a guideline but these docs are pretending to know something that totally escapes them and men are paying the ultimate price with their health, sorry, no sympathy from me towards these ignorant docs, I've been there and suffered from their arrogant/ignorant advice.

[gixxerboy1]

Sure you can, they should listen to the patient, abuse of the system be damned, it's not their job to control it nor is it our concern that someone will find a way to abuse it. Those lab #s are a guideline but these docs are pretending to know something that totally escapes them and men are paying the ultimate price with their health, sorry, no sympathy from me towards these ignorant docs, I've been there and suffered from their arrogant/ignorant advice.

Well technically it is their job to control it. That is why everything isnt just OTC.

[JD250]

Well technically it is their job to control it. That is why everything isnt just OTC.

Thats the job of the FDA and the DEA, Docs are suppose to help their patients, yes they should do it within the law but THEY are not law enforcement. I don't believe for one minute that it's OK to make innocent people suffer just because someone is abusing the system.

[steroid.com 1]

You cant blame dr's for treating labs and not symptoms. Granted if your labs are boarder line there should be some kind of discretion on the dr's part. But they shouldn't just write scripts cause YOU say you have a symptom. (not saying you personally but you know the system would be abused)
Most men i honestly feel don't need a laundry list of hrt drugs to get ride of symptoms or be normal if they have symptoms
I equate a lot of the hrt clinics to the pain management clinics of the day. You are going there to get what you want legally. They are charging you a premium for scripts.
I know people that used to go to those clinics for legal pain meds and when they wanted to steroids went to the anti-aging clinics.

I thought a lot about your post and can say that abuse happens in all industries; just look at the subprime mess. Are there HRT clinics taking advantage of the market? Yes. But I believe there are far more legit clinics then there are those that abuse. As stated here, once TRT becomes more main stream, and it will, the abuse will even be further suppressed.

I do blame Docs for not treating symptoms. My wife had her thyroid tested and her Doc asked why; she replied she had symptoms. He tested for TSH only and her assay came back 3.2 and within the normal range. But, anyone here who understands the basics of thyroid labs knows that the 3.2 is a problem and it will present unpleasant symptoms in addition to putting my wife at risk for future cardiovascular disease.

He didn't treat and she still feels crapy and tired all the time as he wasn't any help to her...what ever happened to "Do no harm"?