Diet of pop tarts, ice cream & cookies?

[gbrice75]

you don't have to eat "clean" foods to grow or cut.

Well, I will vehemently disagree with this statement. Or rather, i'd like to expand on it:

You don't have to eat clean foods to grow, that's for sure. There are plenty of fat 'bodybuilders' out there. Just about anybody can eat alot of food (i.e. eat over maintenance), stimulate muscle growth by weight training, and grow with zero regards to bodyfat. In fact, that applies to 95% of the guys in my gym. IMO, building lean mass while staying lean is the key. being big AND cut - that's the holy grail. I don't care what you tell me, you DO have to eat clean to achieve that.

As for cutting - i'm just gonna say outright that you're dead wrong. Eating at a caloric deficit isn't the only piece of the puzzle. I've seen people GAIN weight (fat) eating sub-maintenance. Don't think it's possible? They were eating a shitty, nutrient empty sub-maintenance diet. You really think you can cut bodyfat eating foods with tons of sugar like pop tarts and ice cream? On top of that, most of those same foods are high fat by default - i.e. calorie dense, so how much behind maintenance can one really eat when they eat this way?

Sorry bro, i'm not buying it.

To Many people just go by what the big guy at the gym says or what they read in a supplement sponsored magazine instead of actually doing there own research to better the education.

Funny how you can make such a ridiculous statement (previously quoted) and then say something a minute later that is spot on. Strange cat you are!

[Juicedupmonkey]

Well, I will vehemently disagree with this statement. Or rather, i'd like to expand on it:

You don't have to eat clean foods to grow, that's for sure. There are plenty of fat 'bodybuilders' out there. Just about anybody can eat alot of food (i.e. eat over maintenance), stimulate muscle growth by weight training, and grow with zero regards to bodyfat. In fact, that applies to 95% of the guys in my gym. IMO, building lean mass while staying lean is the key. being big AND cut - that's the holy grail. I don't care what you tell me, you DO have to eat clean to achieve that.

As for cutting - i'm just gonna say outright that you're dead wrong. Eating at a caloric deficit isn't the only piece of the puzzle. I've seen people GAIN weight (fat) eating sub-maintenance. Don't think it's possible? They were eating a shitty, nutrient empty sub-maintenance diet. You really think you can cut bodyfat eating foods with tons of sugar like pop tarts and ice cream? On top of that, most of those same foods are high fat by default - i.e. calorie dense, so how much behind maintenance can one really eat when they eat this way?

Sorry bro, i'm not buying it.



Funny how you can make such a ridiculous statement (previously quoted) and then say something a minute later that is spot on. Strange cat you are!

Actually I only at 60 grams of fat eating the ice cream/pop tarts and cookies. I like the fact that I am losing weight. For the lack of micronutrients I am supplementing with a multi, b-complex. So my results so far eating that way is a fluke? Or I have amazing genetics that I'm the .0357% of the population that can eat the way I am and lose fat?

[camlam]

Sorry not understanding your last part.

Most people who gain weight when in a "defecit" are not trully in a defecit either they have dropped cals to quick which in turn makes them not as physically active (tired from a quick trans from bulk to cut with no maint in between) which makes not move around as much during the day twiddle there thumbs or give it there best in the gym. I myself cut down this year from 16% at the end of my bulk down to 10-11 with zero cardio and eating a skinny cow everynight before bed, I'm not tying to tell people to eat "junk" all day long but if you feel the need to "cheat" if you fit it in your macros then it is no longer a cheat meal. Then you can get rid of that mentality that you have ruined progress or your going to get fat.

Your body can't just magically put on weight if your truly in a defecit you can't magically produce fat from a insulin spike.
Really enjoy these conversations though, makes people think.