First Test Cycle - Slow Gains

[cb714]

Hey bro you're gonna get the same answer from everyone here. You're too young and doing too much.

But to answer your question and this is not related to gear but just lifting in general... if youre not making gains you either are not eating right or lifting right. How many calories and protein are you taking in every day? How heavy are you lifting? Trainers don't always train you to look like a bodybuilder. Look at your trainer. Is he huge? If he's not then you have to ask yourself "is he training me to look like him?"

You can make gains whether naturally or on a cycle as long as you eat and train right. If you don't all the AAS in the world will do absolutely nothing but give you problems... especially at your age.

Do yourself a favor bro. End your cycle, PCT and go natural for a few more years.

[mooseboy92]

But to answer your question and this is not related to gear but just lifting in general... if youre not making gains you either are not eating right or lifting right. How many calories and protein are you taking in every day?

I get in around 200g~300g of protein a day. I do eat about 6 times a day, and I'm always full after each meal and never, ever hungry.

How heavy are you lifting?

My Stats:
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Age: 21
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 216
Body Fat% : 19%

Bench: 245 (8-5 reps, 4 sets)
Squat: 225 (5 reps, 4 sets)
Deadlift: 275 (6 reps, 4 sets)

Trainers don't always train you to look like a bodybuilder. Look at your trainer. Is he huge? If he's not then you have to ask yourself "is he training me to look like him?"

My trainer's a pretty decent size mid 20's , he's 6 feet, 235lbs , and 7~9% bodyfat. He looks like an amatuer bodybuilder and he's been lifting since HS . Also since we're friends he trains me for free, and he completely understands exactly what I want to accomplish through training with him, which is to gain as much muscle I can leanly .

You can make gains whether naturally or on a cycle as long as you eat and train right. If you don't all the AAS in the world will do absolutely nothing but give you problems... especially at your age.

Do yourself a favor bro. End your cycle, PCT and go natural for a few more years.

Of course you're 100% correct . However, being totally honest, I don't wanna waste years my life doing things naturally that with gear get get done in a few short months months. That's why I shelled out $100's of dollars for gear, pct, food, supplements, gym memberships, ect. I'm just doing this to look good for girls, not to be a world class powerlifter or super star pro athlete .

It's not exactly encouraging to just sit on the sidelines naturally , while seeing 18 year olds at my gym bragging about what gear they use and seeing them totally explode each week either. . .

Seriously I'm just seeking advice on why I'm not getting anything better than just seemingly "natural" gains on this cycle despite being 5 weeks in .

[dec11]

I get in around 200g~300g of protein a day. I do eat about 6 times a day, and I'm always full after each meal and never, ever hungry.



My Stats:
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Age: 21
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 216
Body Fat% : 19%

Bench: 245 (8-5 reps, 4 sets)
Squat: 225 (5 reps, 4 sets)
Deadlift: 275 (6 reps, 4 sets)



My trainer's a pretty decent size mid 20's , he's 6 feet, 235lbs , and 7~9% bodyfat. He looks like an amatuer bodybuilder and he's been lifting since HS . Also since we're friends he trains me for free, and he completely understands exactly what I want to accomplish through training with him, which is to gain as much muscle I can leanly .



Of course you're 100% correct . However, being totally honest, I don't wanna waste years my life doing things naturally that with gear get get done in a few short months months. That's why I shelled out $100's of dollars for gear, pct, food, supplements, gym memberships, ect. I'm just doing this to look good for girls, not to be a world class powerlifter or super star pro athlete .

It's not exactly encouraging to just sit on the sidelines naturally , while seeing 18 year olds at my gym bragging about what gear they use and seeing them totally explode each week either. . .

Seriously I'm just seeking advice on why I'm not getting anything better than just seemingly "natural" gains on this cycle despite being 5 weeks in .

very skewed thinking, srsly, to look good for girls?! you want to spend years with depression and impotence associated with low testosterone? the girls will just love that. cos thats very real and very possible.

have a re-think

[lovbyts]

I get in around 200g~300g of protein a day. I do eat about 6 times a day, and I'm always full after each meal and never, ever hungry.



My Stats:
-------------------
Age: 21
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 216
Body Fat% : 19%

Bench: 245 (8-5 reps, 4 sets)
Squat: 225 (5 reps, 4 sets)
Deadlift: 275 (6 reps, 4 sets)



My trainer's a pretty decent size mid 20's , he's 6 feet, 235lbs , and 7~9% bodyfat. He looks like an amatuer bodybuilder and he's been lifting since HS . Also since we're friends he trains me for free, and he completely understands exactly what I want to accomplish through training with him, which is to gain as much muscle I can leanly .



Of course you're 100% correct . However, being totally honest, I don't wanna waste years my life doing things naturally that with gear get get done in a few short months months. That's why I shelled out $100's of dollars for gear, pct, food, supplements, gym memberships, ect. I'm just doing this to look good for girls, not to be a world class powerlifter or super star pro athlete .

It's not exactly encouraging to just sit on the sidelines naturally , while seeing 18 year olds at my gym bragging about what gear they use and seeing them totally explode each week either. . .

Seriously I'm just seeking advice on why I'm not getting anything better than just seemingly "natural" gains on this cycle despite being 5 weeks in .

LOL, good luck with that. There is a lot more to it than that and with gear it still takes years to do it right and gain much more than water weight or anything you wont loose as soon as your cycle ends. You also risk stunting any growth you have left (fusing your growth plates) NO you are not done growing no matter what you think. You risk ED, limp dick and no one is going to tell you they have or have had it but you will know when you get it and your girl dumps you and tell everyone you know you cant get it up.

You are not thinking about things right. Yeah it sucks when you see people making gains you arent but if you got your diet 100% spot on you would be making gains 2x what you are not I bet and all natural, nothing to worry about.

[mooseboy92]

Fine, I'll stop my cycle and start my PCT today . Pretty humbling being back on square 1 now. Any thoughts on why I wasn't making any signifigant gains so at least I don't make the same mistake in the future ? Or do you guys think the gear is fake ?