Chinese HGH concerns

[The Incredible Dump]

I find it hard to trust alot of the advice on these forums about fake gear or under-dosed gear. The forums are great to come on and get soem tips on diets, training regimes, stacks or even just how and when to take stuff but, there are too many dealers and pushers on here to trust when someone slags another source or brand or even a country off. They are fighting for our custom so it makes sense to slag off products that they don't sell themselves or put you off or even just make you doubt your own sources.
I think there probably is a load of fake stuff coming from China but, there's a lot of fake stuff coming from everywhere! I've had pharma grade steroids and they worked amazingly however, I've also tried a brand that has been slated on here plenty of times and still got pretty much the same results.
So, don't believe everything you hear because I think there are just as many fakes on this forum as there are apparently coming out of China.

I just wish it was all legal. Too many shady characters has left me doubting everyone and not just China.

[gixxerboy1]

I find it hard to trust alot of the advice on these forums about fake gear or under-dosed gear. The forums are great to come on and get soem tips on diets, training regimes, stacks or even just how and when to take stuff but, there are too many dealers and pushers on here to trust when someone slags another source or brand or even a country off. They are fighting for our custom so it makes sense to slag off products that they don't sell themselves or put you off or even just make you doubt your own sources.
I think there probably is a load of fake stuff coming from China but, there's a lot of fake stuff coming from everywhere! I've had pharma grade steroids and they worked amazingly however, I've also tried a brand that has been slated on here plenty of times and still got pretty much the same results.
So, don't believe everything you hear because I think there are just as many fakes on this forum as there are apparently coming out of China.

I just wish it was all legal. Too many shady characters has left me doubting everyone and not just China.

Nice. You are here 1 month and 6 post but you are doubting the integrity and honesty of the mods and staff.
If you actually knew this site. you would know we don't have any sources on here. We don't discuss sources or scammers. So i dont know where you get off saying people are pushing their own stuff.

[The Incredible Dump]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise it took years of being a member and hundreds of posts to have a better understanding of human nature... This stuff goes on all over, this stuff goes on on forums, and I can't help thinking the no fishing or sourcing on the forums is to clean up the competition for others on here to dominate.
I don't trust people and if this site wasn't about naming brands then why is it ok to name them when slagging off certain brands?

And I don't 'get off' on saying anything on here. I just question the motives of people and unless you know every member personally and not on the internet (where you don't know them at all) then you can't say this stuff doesn't happen on here. There will be people trying to push products onto other members on here, even if it's as subtles as guiding them in decision making. This is why I can't trust everything I read on here because I've already found some of it to be dead wrong.

Some of it has also been dead right too, though.

[Matt]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise it took years of being a member and hundreds of posts to have a better understanding of human nature... This stuff goes on all over, this stuff goes on on forums, and I can't help thinking the no fishing or sourcing on the forums is to clean up the competition for others on here to dominate.
I don't trust people and if this site wasn't about naming brands then why is it ok to name them when slagging off certain brands?

And I don't 'get off' on saying anything on here. I just question the motives of people and unless you know every member personally and not on the internet (where you don't know them at all) then you can't say this stuff doesn't happen on here. There will be people trying to push products onto other members on here, even if it's as subtles as guiding them in decision making. This is why I can't trust everything I read on here because I've already found some of it to be dead wrong.

Some of it has also been dead right too, though.

No but it takes thousands of posts and years of being a member to understand how this board works...

If your not comfortable here or have no positive input then please find else where to lurk with your negativity...

[The Incredible Dump]

You are wrong. I've read these forums long before I became a member. Whether I post or not makes no difference. It's only members who've been on here for years or have thousands of posts who'd say something so stupid becuase you think it makes you more important and me less intelligent for not being on here as long.
I don't lurk anywhere with negativity, I've had nothing but positivity on these forums mostly and I do like the forum. However, I don't agree with everything being said about China on here and I know for a fact some of the brands that have been slagged off on here are legit gear as I get my bloods done regularly and monitored by specialists to make sure I don't screw up.
But it seems if you disagree with anyone one here who is a mod or has 'thousands of posts' then it's open season.
My opinions are just as important and just as fair as anyone elses. That's the point in a forum.

And it obviously doesn't take thousands of posts to understand these forums it takes just 1 and that's 1 post where you don't agree with the main man and you realise what a house of cards this is.

Also aswell as not naming brands or surces on here I thought most forums had rules against racism?

China are public enemy on here so it seems... Must have had a chinese member disagree with you on here once?

[gixxerboy1]

You are wrong. I've read these forums long before I became a member. Whether I post or not makes no difference. It's only members who've been on here for years or have thousands of posts who'd say something so stupid becuase you think it makes you more important and me less intelligent for not being on here as long.
I don't lurk anywhere with negativity, I've had nothing but positivity on these forums mostly and I do like the forum. However, I don't agree with everything being said about China on here and I know for a fact some of the brands that have been slagged off on here are legit gear as I get my bloods done regularly and monitored by specialists to make sure I don't screw up.
But it seems if you disagree with anyone one here who is a mod or has 'thousands of posts' then it's open season.
My opinions are just as important and just as fair as anyone elses. That's the point in a forum.

And it obviously doesn't take thousands of posts to understand these forums it takes just 1 and that's 1 post where you don't agree with the main man and you realise what a house of cards this is.

Also aswell as not naming brands or surces on here I thought most forums had rules against racism?

China are public enemy on here so it seems... Must have had a chinese member disagree with you on here once?

It sound like you are the one trying to push something. You just join. The only thread you post in is about the chinese gh. You call out the staff. And say you know certian brands are real and that you know by your bloodwork that yours is good. You sound like the one with the agenda.

No staff member here has pushed any brand. All we say is to stick with real human grade gh because the chinese generics have gone to shit. So now cause we try to look out for people we are the bad guys.

You think its hard to see through your shit. Get the fvck off our board

[JimInAK]

You are wrong. I've read these forums long before I became a member. Whether I post or not makes no difference. It's only members who've been on here for years or have thousands of posts who'd say something so stupid becuase you think it makes you more important and me less intelligent for not being on here as long.
I don't lurk anywhere with negativity, I've had nothing but positivity on these forums mostly and I do like the forum. However, I don't agree with everything being said about China on here and I know for a fact some of the brands that have been slagged off on here are legit gear as I get my bloods done regularly and monitored by specialists to make sure I don't screw up.
But it seems if you disagree with anyone one here who is a mod or has 'thousands of posts' then it's open season.
My opinions are just as important and just as fair as anyone elses. That's the point in a forum.

And it obviously doesn't take thousands of posts to understand these forums it takes just 1 and that's 1 post where you don't agree with the main man and you realise what a house of cards this is.

Also aswell as not naming brands or surces on here I thought most forums had rules against racism?

China are public enemy on here so it seems... Must have had a chinese member disagree with you on here once?

Consider what you want and discard the rest. Facts can be independently verified. Opinions can be considered or discarded. Almost everyone operates with a degree of racism and most every other 'ism. That's part of the human package.

Everything said here in the forum are opinions. Some people have strong opinions and are not open to considering others. Some hold their opinions so strongly that they are compelled to bash others in an attempt to make their point. That is the way it is. It's human nature.

This forum isn't perfect, but if it isn't good enough for an individual then they are free to move on. It's interesting for me to consider all sides of an issue and to try understand motivations and prejudices. There is good information and points of view to be considered if you are willing to dig through some crap occasionally.

On a good day, I discover that there are others more screwed up than me. Isn't life grand... LOL

[The Incredible Dump]

Finally a real reply! Gixxerboy just tells people to get off his board if you don't agree with every word he says. It's pathetic.

[marcus300]

I find it hard to trust alot of the advice on these forums about fake gear or under-dosed gear. The forums are great to come on and get soem tips on diets, training regimes, stacks or even just how and when to take stuff but, there are too many dealers and pushers on here to trust when someone slags another source or brand or even a country off. They are fighting for our custom so it makes sense to slag off products that they don't sell themselves or put you off or even just make you doubt your own sources.
I think there probably is a load of fake stuff coming from China but, there's a lot of fake stuff coming from everywhere! I've had pharma grade steroids and they worked amazingly however, I've also tried a brand that has been slated on here plenty of times and still got pretty much the same results.
So, don't believe everything you hear because I think there are just as many fakes on this forum as there are apparently coming out of China.

I just wish it was all legal. Too many shady characters has left me doubting everyone and not just China.

This thread is about GH not steroids and if your concern is about fake steroids I would think its better suited somewhere else in the forum rather than a concerns thread relating to GH. I agree that there are many fakes in both steroids and gh coming from China but also many other parts of the world. I also agree with you that there are forums what push their sponsors selling steroids/gh but you fail to see WE are not a source board and WE don't push any steroids or gh. Of course there are going to be threads and posts what staff miss to delete or edit but on a whole the board is clean from any sources or pushing of a particular brand. These other boards are actually produced with the aim to deceive their members and sell them fakes/underdosed etc steroids and gh. Many of these forums have fake member accounts what state rubbish so members believe the sponsors gear is good and 100% yet the whole forum is dedicated to pushing and making money from poor quality/fake gear, I am not naming other forums but its clear that this board isnt like that and if you can't see that then I would question your mental capabilities.

We are also not asking you to trust what every member/staff say, after all its opinion based board and we all give our opinion, what you do is read and take from it what ever you like, but I will say this about this board we have a huge amount of knowledge what is independent and not driven by sponsors, we state our OWN opinion and if you don't want to follow or take the advice given from someone who as probably been training and using gear longer than you have been alive then that's your choice but there are many and I mean many members who do listen and take the advice and that's why WE are NO1 steroid forum on the internet and that's why we remain at the top.

Now within this thread there is a lot of good information and there are guys who will not except that generic gh's are poor but without repeating myself over and over which seems to be a regular occurrence because some people fail to grasp or want to believe they have been wasting their money on crap I will keep this short. The Chinese can produce chemicals what mimic gh sides, these generic companies are using anti-duretic hormones, igf, AI's and a boat load of other chemcals we have never heard of in their generic gh, ive been told this by some Chinese sources and ive experienced the crap myself over the years. The results what many experince are a mixture of these chemicals and the aas being used along side a solid diet. If many actually used pharm grade gh they would know what gh is suppose to feel like and do, because I can say without doubt if you use pharm grade gh like bodybuilders are suppose to it will amaze you but many will not except this because they are driven by price and price only. I was sent a large quantity of generic gh from a well known source once with no labels on and a pack of boxes and labels of various generic companies, he told me to label them up to what ever company I wanted to. I have also had good ifg blood test back from generics like most claim but the results between generic vs pharm grade are further apart than North and South Poles. The truth is these second rate labs dont have the equipment or even have the intention in selling 100% gh they are only interested in one thing and that's making money.

Your opinion does count on here just like everyone else's, we are not saying listen to staff only, that would be silly. If you have had good experience with a certain company what many on here slag off then state your opinion but I think members have the right to ask you what experience you have had in all your yrs/months/weeks with aas and gh. There isnt a straight answer to fakes or counterfeit steroids because the truth is many are experience the fakes and other don't. Its all about where you get it from and your OWN experience but you are totally wrong in saying staff here have an agenda to push certain brands, if you knew us you would know how retarded that sounds and in all honesty you sound like a frustrated young child.

I also know other boards and sources are being hit financially because of this thread and how many other people have had their eyes opened to the generic market. Yes that's right this thread as highlighted what crap is being sold on the generic gh market and many have stopped buying and these sources and boards are feeling the pinch. Ive had loads of people contact me to thank me for letting them know my opinion about generics, many have come from other boards saying they have stopped using generics and I know many of these sources/boards what sell and promote this crap are hurting!!

My opinion weather I am staff or not is the same and that is pharm grade gh is far superior than any generic and I wouldn't use generics again if they were free, I would only buy from a licenced lab.

[trix1000]

This thread is about GH not steroids and if your concern is about fake steroids I would think its better suited somewhere else in the forum rather than a concerns thread relating to GH. I agree that there are many fakes in both steroids and gh coming from China but also many other parts of the world. I also agree with you that there are forums what push their sponsors selling steroids/gh but you fail to see WE are not a source board and WE don't push any steroids or gh. Of course there are going to be threads and posts what staff miss to delete or edit but on a whole the board is clean from any sources or pushing of a particular brand. These other boards are actually produced with the aim to deceive their members and sell them fakes/underdosed etc steroids and gh. Many of these forums have fake member accounts what state rubbish so members believe the sponsors gear is good and 100% yet the whole forum is dedicated to pushing and making money from poor quality/fake gear, I am not naming other forums but its clear that this board isnt like that and if you can't see that then I would question your mental capabilities.

We are also not asking you to trust what every member/staff say, after all its opinion based board and we all give our opinion, what you do is read and take from it what ever you like, but I will say this about this board we have a huge amount of knowledge what is independent and not driven by sponsors, we state our OWN opinion and if you don't want to follow or take the advice given from someone who as probably been training and using gear longer than you have been alive then that's your choice but there are many and I mean many members who do listen and take the advice and that's why WE are NO1 steroid forum on the internet and that's why we remain at the top.

Now within this thread there is a lot of good information and there are guys who will not except that generic gh's are poor but without repeating myself over and over which seems to be a regular occurrence because some people fail to grasp or want to believe they have been wasting their money on crap I will keep this short. The Chinese can produce chemicals what mimic gh sides, these generic companies are using anti-duretic hormones, igf, AI's and a boat load of other chemcals we have never heard of in their generic gh, ive been told this by some Chinese sources and ive experienced the crap myself over the years. The results what many experince are a mixture of these chemicals and the aas being used along side a solid diet. If many actually used pharm grade gh they would know what gh is suppose to feel like and do, because I can say without doubt if you use pharm grade gh like bodybuilders are suppose to it will amaze you but many will not except this because they are driven by price and price only. I was sent a large quantity of generic gh from a well known source once with no labels on and a pack of boxes and labels of various generic companies, he told me to label them up to what ever company I wanted to. I have also had good ifg blood test back from generics like most claim but the results between generic vs pharm grade are further apart than North and South Poles. The truth is these second rate labs dont have the equipment or even have the intention in selling 100% gh they are only interested in one thing and that's making money.

Your opinion does count on here just like everyone else's, we are not saying listen to staff only, that would be silly. If you have had good experience with a certain company what many on here slag off then state your opinion but I think members have the right to ask you what experience you have had in all your yrs/months/weeks with aas and gh. There isnt a straight answer to fakes or counterfeit steroids because the truth is many are experience the fakes and other don't. Its all about where you get it from and your OWN experience but you are totally wrong in saying staff here have an agenda to push certain brands, if you knew us you would know how retarded that sounds and in all honesty you sound like a frustrated young child.

I also know other boards and sources are being hit financially because of this thread and how many other people have had their eyes opened to the generic market. Yes that's right this thread as highlighted what crap is being sold on the generic gh market and many have stopped buying and these sources and boards are feeling the pinch. Ive had loads of people contact me to thank me for letting them know my opinion about generics, many have come from other boards saying they have stopped using generics and I know many of these sources/boards what sell and promote this crap are hurting!!

My opinion weather I am staff or not is the same and that is pharm grade gh is far superior than any generic and I wouldn't use generics again if they were free, I would only buy from a licenced lab.

I'm new to this world not trying to hijack here but, how does one know what's generic and not. I joined this site after reading the AAS profile section of site. I liked the fact that they logged there references at the bottom so that you may cross reference and do your own research. I also came along a thread which stated a man got flu like symptoms from generic HGH blue tops, and was hospitalized. Not sure who manufactured but will be steering clear of those. Now I have a reliable source ( I hope ) I guess what my biggest question is.... Should my source not be trusted ? And rather then pinning HGH. Would HGH fragment or GHRP-6 do the same so that I don't need to worry bout bunk gear? >NEW<.

Must say that you guys have impressed me so much after reading this thread. The way you guys put your heads together to warn and gather testing info. I think I have found a place where I can trust the info, and for someone like me that lacks knowledge! I can't begin to tell you or explain how much of a relief this is.

I look forward to GROWING in every sense of the word, with you guys.

Mind you I have never willingly injected my self with anything. >pvssy< lol