Is my cycle/PCT/OCT good to go? (spreadsheet pic attached)

[dec11]

I went from 140 to 185 8% over the course of 4-5 years. I bench 325, squat 505, and deadlift 590 raw at 180-185 bw - thats an elite total and more than some of my state records for 181 weight class. All of this while being a national competitor in college lacrosse and being a full time student. (note: I am no longer competing collegiate or in any other tested comps - so cheating is a non-issue)

please don't question my ability to put in hard work or my dedication. If anything, the willingness to put the time and effort into studying and learning how to use steroids properly is testament to it. I understand your point of view; there are definitely a lot of lazy people looking for an easy way to get a good body or whatever, but that ain't the case this time.

so shift up a body class and build up to it. as you say it, you have the ability and dedecation, so why turn to AAS when you are at an age were they can seriously damage you?

i thought weights i broke through werent attainable, they were and more..........

[1000_DaysAsTheLion]

so shift up a body class and build up to it. as you say it, you have the ability and dedecation, so why turn to AAS when you are at an age were they can seriously damage you?

i thought weights i broke through werent attainable, they were and more..........

For my height anything past ~190 at ~7% is extremely rare naturally. my goal is 200 6-7%. AAS will have to be used at some point, unless I just happen to be 1 in a million - that is obviously not the case. so dedication is there, but being realistic, the ability is not. You might consider that one invested in this at the level I am has already considered these obvious objections (and more) and decided to proceed cautiously anyway. your ability to break through weights that you didn't think was attainable is a great accomplishment . But we have different goals, I want to go beyond elite, move weights that have not been moved before, and look better than my competitors doing it. And I'm willing to take the risks to achieve this.

btw - it is very unlikely that 1 12 week beginner cycle of test with proper PCT and OCT is going to cause serious side effects (serious to me is - death/severe injury/heart attack/permanent sexual dysfuction - even with TRT). Its not like I am taking a 50/50 with my life here. its more like a 95/5 with less serious sides like acne/gyno/lower libido.

now could we please stay on topic?

[dec11]

For my height anything past ~190 at ~7% is extremely rare naturally. my goal is 200 6-7%. AAS will have to be used at some point, unless I just happen to be 1 in a million - that is obviously not the case. so dedication is there, but being realistic, the ability is not. You might consider that one invested in this at the level I am has already considered these obvious objections (and more) and decided to proceed cautiously anyway. your ability to break through weights that you didn't think was attainable is a great accomplishment . But we have different goals, I want to go beyond elite, move weights that have not been moved before, and look better than my competitors doing it. And I'm willing to take the risks to achieve this.

btw - it is very unlikely that 1 12 week beginner cycle of test with proper PCT and OCT is going to cause serious side effects (serious to me is - death/severe injury/heart attack/permanent sexual dysfuction - even with TRT). Its not like I am taking a 50/50 with my life here. its more like a 95/5 with less serious sides like acne/gyno/lower libido.

now could we please stay on topic?

no harm but you're talking crap and why the hell do you ask for advice when you're just going act like another stupid know it all kid?

[Lemonada8]

For my height anything past ~190 at ~7% is extremely rare naturally. my goal is 200 6-7%. AAS will have to be used at some point, unless I just happen to be 1 in a million - that is obviously not the case. so dedication is there, but being realistic, the ability is not. You might consider that one invested in this at the level I am has already considered these obvious objections (and more) and decided to proceed cautiously anyway. your ability to break through weights that you didn't think was attainable is a great accomplishment . But we have different goals, I want to go beyond elite, move weights that have not been moved before, and look better than my competitors doing it. And I'm willing to take the risks to achieve this.

btw - it is very unlikely that 1 12 week beginner cycle of test with proper PCT and OCT is going to cause serious side effects (serious to me is - death/severe injury/heart attack/permanent sexual dysfuction - even with TRT). Its not like I am taking a 50/50 with my life here. its more like a 95/5 with less serious sides like acne/gyno/lower libido.

now could we please stay on topic?

if you are aware of the possible effects and want to take the chance, then go for it. but you should take another look at your diet and think of what you are doing.

and judging by your pic, you arent finished maturing. You dont have a full beard and you still have decent facial acne which are both signs of healthy testosterone production. you stayed in a weight class, and now dont have that restriction. why not start a heavy bulk diet with high rep workouts? That would be a better move IMO, utilize your natural test production and stay natural awhile longer.
you are in the prime of your life and growth, most growth you get natural you will keep because its nearly impossible to surpass your natural max with association to your body.

[MastaMan]

For my height anything past ~190 at ~7% is extremely rare naturally. my goal is 200 6-7%. AAS will have to be used at some point, unless I just happen to be 1 in a million - that is obviously not the case. so dedication is there, but being realistic, the ability is not. You might consider that one invested in this at the level I am has already considered these obvious objections (and more) and decided to proceed cautiously anyway. your ability to break through weights that you didn't think was attainable is a great accomplishment . But we have different goals, I want to go beyond elite, move weights that have not been moved before, and look better than my competitors doing it. And I'm willing to take the risks to achieve this.

btw - it is very unlikely that 1 12 week beginner cycle of test with proper PCT and OCT is going to cause serious side effects (serious to me is - death/severe injury/heart attack/permanent sexual dysfuction - even with TRT). Its not like I am taking a 50/50 with my life here. its more like a 95/5 with less serious sides like acne/gyno/lower libido.

now could we please stay on topic?

Good post, very weell thought out good luck on our cycle

[1000_DaysAsTheLion]

Dec11: thank you for your input. Don't think I'm just ignoring your advice either. I did additional research on side effects and reconsidered the risks. I am still planning to continue with my cycle in the near future though. please note that in addition to extensive OCT and PCT I will be in contact with my doc and get regular bloodwork before during and after the cycle. Since you seem to be very familiar with the negative sides, please let me know if there are any you think i might have missed or not accounted for with my pct/oct. thanks!

masta: thanks!

Alright I have made a few slight revisions to the spreadsheet based on recommendations in this thread. a picture is attached to this post

I have a few questions I'd really appreciate input on:

does the HCG+propecia call for higher AI/SERM use than normal for OCT? both these compounds can add extra estro, so i thought i might need a bit extra AI...???

Wanted to make sure no AI was needed in PCT if one is used OCT? - I've seen conflicting advice so I just wanted to see what people thought

was thinking about adding something to combat prolactin gyno in case i got the lactating type gyno, but my understanding is that this is not a concern for the compounds I am using. am i right?

Was thinking about proscar for hair loss, but i have a thick head of hair and I feel like this is not really a concern for a 12 week low dose test only cycle. am I right or should I include it just to be safe?


thanks, really appreciate input.

[dec11]

Dec11: thank you for your input. Don't think I'm just ignoring your advice either. I did additional research on side effects and reconsidered the risks. I am still planning to continue with my cycle in the near future though. please note that in addition to extensive OCT and PCT I will be in contact with my doc and get regular bloodwork before during and after the cycle. Since you seem to be very familiar with the negative sides, please let me know if there are any you think i might have missed or not accounted for with my pct/oct. thanks!

masta: thanks!

Alright I have made a few slight revisions to the spreadsheet based on recommendations in this thread. a picture is attached to this post

I have a few questions I'd really appreciate input on:

does the HCG+propecia call for higher AI/SERM use than normal for OCT? both these compounds can add extra estro, so i thought i might need a bit extra AI...???

Wanted to make sure no AI was needed in PCT if one is used OCT? - I've seen conflicting advice so I just wanted to see what people thought

was thinking about adding something to combat prolactin gyno in case i got the lactating type gyno, but my understanding is that this is not a concern for the compounds I am using. am i right?

Was thinking about proscar for hair loss, but i have a thick head of hair and I feel like this is not really a concern for a 12 week low dose test only cycle. am I right or should I include it just to be safe?


thanks, really appreciate input.

things that all the pct in the world cant fix, if you're unlucky:

1 depression, and i mean with a capital D
2 loss of power/strength (weaker than i was natty after my 1st cycle)
3 loss of majority of gained size (water)
4 psychological dependency and need for more cycling (relating to point 2)
5 loss of libido (its a gamble and some are shot after one cycle)
6 all of the above leading to trt, not pleasant, if like me you decide after 20yrs that you're bored with lifting and eating constantly

[1000_DaysAsTheLion]

things that all the pct in the world cant fix, if you're unlucky:

1 depression, and i mean with a capital D
2 loss of power/strength (weaker than i was natty after my 1st cycle)
3 loss of majority of gained size (water)
4 psychological dependency and need for more cycling (relating to point 2)
5 loss of libido (its a gamble and some are shot after one cycle)
6 all of the above leading to trt, not pleasant, if like me you decide after 20yrs that you're bored with lifting and eating constantly

That sucks man, I certainly understand your point of view. I will say, waiting is not very enticing seeing that you got all of those things despite waiting. I am taking extensive measures to avoid all those things and have made sure there is no reason to think i might be susceptible to them. I'll be in close contact with my doc before during and after. In the event that I do get all these negative sides and need medical care for them, I will have access to it. Certainly it is still a risk, but it is a calculated risk that I am willing to take and have minimized in every way possible.


Anyone have anymore thoughts on my cycle?