Stopping TRT

[abbot138]

Hey all. Been cruising and blasting for 5 yrs and decided a couple months ago (for various reasons) to come off completely. My TRT dose was always around 150mg. Various compounds while blasting, blasts never longer than 12 weeks. Im 30 now, got married, want to eventually have kids. Went to endo he of course advised me to come off everything including HCG, so I slowly ramped my test down to about 120mg a week and have been completely off for a month now. I dont feel completely awful (not suicidal or anything). But I definately feel like shit and Test is definately in the crapper. Go back to endo on Monday, but Im not expecting much help, if he is a prick as I suspect he will be, I was considering treating myself and monitoring my blood work with my regular doc. I was going to use Swifto's Aggressive PCT plan,

wk 1-8 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED first 7 days)
wk 1-8 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days, 100mg/ED next 7 days)

Do you think it is completely hopeless and I am more or less screwed as far as ever getting my body to produce Test on its own? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Take care.

[warchild]

Hey all. Been cruising and blasting for 5 yrs and decided a couple months ago (for various reasons) to come off completely. My TRT dose was always around 150mg. Various compounds while blasting, blasts never longer than 12 weeks. Im 30 now, got married, want to eventually have kids. Went to endo he of course advised me to come off everything including HCG, so I slowly ramped my test down to about 120mg a week and have been completely off for a month now. I dont feel completely awful (not suicidal or anything). But I definately feel like shit and Test is definately in the crapper. Go back to endo on Monday, but Im not expecting much help, if he is a prick as I suspect he will be, I was considering treating myself and monitoring my blood work with my regular doc. I was going to use Swifto's Aggressive PCT plan,

wk 1-8 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED first 7 days)
wk 1-8 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days, 100mg/ED next 7 days)

Do you think it is completely hopeless and I am more or less screwed as far as ever getting my body to produce Test on its own? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Take care.

good luck man. Considering you and I are around the same age and been on trt for years and now want kids. I came off a year ago for 4 months and did pct for 2months with nolv clomid and then hcg. Well after I did blood work total test was on 87 in the 400 to 1000 range. Tried to come off again and got sick and very depressed so went back on in a month. If you find a pct that works let me know but just keep in mind you still can have kids on trt. Yes its very possible. Also if your pct doesn't work look into getting HMG. Keep me posted bro.

[abbot138]

Yoooooo. Damn man, that is not good news, lol. Yeah I mean I knew what I was getting into when I started. And its not just the kid thing, I know for a fact that my sperm works when im on trt, lol. I figured I'd give an endo a chance to do his thing, but this guy seems like a pretty big douche bag. Im going to see what he has to say next week, then possibly try on my own, then if that doesnt work find another doc....Last resort ill go back on, but even then I need to find a good doc. Using UGL test, playing guessing game with dose, and getting my own blood work done every 2 months is annoying.

[bigboy67]

dude, just come out of pocket and use an anti-aging clinic if you just want good product. It shouldnt be cost prohibitive at TRT doses, and be legal and not have to worry about that side of things. Did you actually need Test before you started in with TRT/blasts?

[warchild]

Abbot I thought u told me before u had a great trt doc who was into lifting himself? Also have u lost any weight or muscle mass? Hows your gym workouts and overall well being? I'm asking cus I came off again and start an aggressive pct on Monday. Also pm me on Facebook if you want to.

[abbot138]

Yeah I was at about 200 after having been off for about a year, and that was at age 25.....Out of pocket was extremely cost prohibitive, lol. I had a script with an anti-aging clinic. Was about $500 for 10 week supply. Thats wasnt my reason for stopping though. I am going to see it through for another 3 or 4 months and if it doesnt happen, it doesnt happen. I can always jump back on. I just wanted to see if anyone had any experience with stopping after a prolonged time period on TRT and getting levels back close to normal.

[abbot138]

Abbot I thought u told me before u had a great trt doc who was into lifting himself? Also have u lost any weight or muscle mass? Hows your gym workouts and overall well being? I'm asking cus I came off again and start an aggressive pct on Monday. Also pm me on Facebook if you want to.

Yeah ill get ya on FB.

[bass]

best of luck bro, i don't have answers for you but want to follow this thread. one thing for sure as one of the members posted, Arnold Schwarzenegger got his housekeeper pregnant despite being on TRT for many years! so yes, you can get your wife pregnant even if you are on TRT, but you will need a knowledgeable doctor to help you.

[lvs]

I mentioned the possibility of having kids to my endo and she has indicated that she has been successful in bringing sperm levels back up using an alternate protocol but did not go in to detail about what that was. She said give her six-months notice though and we did not discuss test levels returning to normal to prevent feeling like crap. What I am trying to say is there should be some hope that your endo should be able to help.

[abbot138]

Thanks guys, and its not just the baby thing, like I mentioned above, my sperm have worked in the past while I was on my TRT dose....I am definately going to keep everyone posted throughout this process....I can liev with being a mortal in the gym, but I need to get right emotionally, cant stand feeling like crap all the time.

[vetek12]

interested to see how this goes, i too one day want kids despite being on trt, hopefully its still possible. my endo said hcg defiantly helps in his opinion

[flatscat]

Best of luck!

[abbot138]

Thanks again guys. I will definately keep you all posted. Im 5 weeks in, so I figure I have made it this far I might as well give it a shot and see if I can get things firing again without exogenous Test shots. Swifto has been a HUUUUGE help laying out a PCT protocol for me. So I feel like even if this endo doesnt have much to say, I will be prepared to give it a fight on my own.

[abbot138]

Hey guys, just got back from Doc. About what I expected, Test Serum 98, Free Test 2.5L, LH non existent, SHBG 13L, Estradiol 43.5 (pleasantly surprised with that one, could be worse). He gave me a script for Clomid, so I am going to proceed with Swifto's PCT protocol, Ill use Clomid instead of Tore, since I have the script, save a little cash. Overload of HCG for first couple weeks with Aromasin and Nolva and then start the Clomid and Nolva for 8 weeks. I go back in December, if nothing happens its back to TRT. Overall, not a horrible experience, Doc was relatively intelligent (still not up to par with some of the dudes on here, lol). He did drop in a "If we have to resort to TRT your body wont produce sperm," I just rolled my eyes and said OK. Basically could have done all this on my own without the $50 copay, lol, but whatever, doesnt hurt to have some help......I will keep ya posted guys.

[abbot138]

Well, i am thru the first 3 weeks of Swifto's agressive PCT, 2 weeks of HCG blasting, and 1 week of Clomid at 100 and Nolva at 40. Next 7 weeks will be 50 clomid and 20 nolva.........And today, i feel like quitting and taking a shot. This fvcking sucks, lol. It really, really sucks.....Like I am just stuck in nuetral. I want to see it thru, but I am not very ompitmistic that my natural test production will be restored anyway, and I feel like Im torturing myself for 3 months for no reason. Any words of encouragement out there, lol.

[vinceproduction]

Right there with you bro, I'm into week 3 on 50mg clomid from my endo, and feeling like crap! I was on 300mg every other week for over a year and loved it, but my doc got scared, took me off completely and sent me to an endo. Libido sucks, energy sucks, motivation sucks... it's gotta get better right?? I go in for more bloodwork on the 22nd of Nov.

[GotNoBlueMilk]

Well, i am thru the first 3 weeks of Swifto's agressive PCT, 2 weeks of HCG blasting, and 1 week of Clomid at 100 and Nolva at 40. Next 7 weeks will be 50 clomid and 20 nolva.........And today, i feel like quitting and taking a shot. This fvcking sucks, lol. It really, really sucks.....Like I am just stuck in nuetral. I want to see it thru, but I am not very ompitmistic that my natural test production will be restored anyway, and I feel like Im torturing myself for 3 months for no reason. Any words of encouragement out there, lol.

Part of this could easily be the SERM. They always make me feel like crap, especailly at 100 mg doses. And you are combining two of them so you are getting 140 mg of SERM. The SERMs also kill my libido in addition to making me feel like crap. So yes, there is very little to live for . . . but suck it up and stick it out.

[warchild]

Well, i am thru the first 3 weeks of Swifto's agressive PCT, 2 weeks of HCG blasting, and 1 week of Clomid at 100 and Nolva at 40. Next 7 weeks will be 50 clomid and 20 nolva.........And today, i feel like quitting and taking a shot. This fvcking sucks, lol. It really, really sucks.....Like I am just stuck in nuetral. I want to see it thru, but I am not very ompitmistic that my natural test production will be restored anyway, and I feel like Im torturing myself for 3 months for no reason. Any words of encouragement out there, lol.

yea he is some encouragement....take the shot!!!!!!

[abbot138]

LOL......Thanks both of you. I figured it was just the SERMS, its been so long since Ive taken them I forgot how bad it was. Bit of a Catch 22.....Ill stick it out, gonna get just my Test and LH levels checked out next week with my regular doctor and see if any progress has been made, just to keep me motivated....vince try to keep me posted with your bloodwork if you can remember, would love to see what someone in same boat's results are.

[abbot138]

LOL....Thanks a-hole, lol.....I know it will come to that man, If I dont see some kind of improvement on my bloodwork next week Ill go back to TRT...........RANDYYYY WATTTTSSSONNNNN!!!!!

[warchild]

LOL....Thanks a-hole, lol.....I know it will come to that man, If I dont see some kind of improvement on my bloodwork next week Ill go back to TRT...........RANDYYYY WATTTTSSSONNNNN!!!!!

man you lying, you aint never met no doctor martin luther the king! hows your weight now and how is training going?? any progress?

[abbot138]

man you lying, you aint never met no doctor martin luther the king! hows your weight now and how is training going?? any progress?

LOL!!!! Weight and strength loss seem to have leveled out. Weight is around 195, down from 205. Stregnth example, before I was pulling 495 for 4-5, now 455 for 4-5....I have definately lost some size, nothing drastic....The more frustrating aspect of low test is that its impossible to burn fat, if I could have leaned out while losing 10lbs itd be all good, but i stayed at roughly the same bf.....Whateva. I know as soon as I get back in normal range Ill get it all back. I had to give this a try. Fvckin Clomid man, stuff is evilllll.

[warchild]

LOL!!!! Weight and strength loss seem to have leveled out. Weight is around 195, down from 205. Stregnth example, before I was pulling 495 for 4-5, now 455 for 4-5....I have definately lost some size, nothing drastic....The more frustrating aspect of low test is that its impossible to burn fat, if I could have leaned out while losing 10lbs itd be all good, but i stayed at roughly the same bf.....Whateva. I know as soon as I get back in normal range Ill get it all back. I had to give this a try. Fvckin Clomid man, stuff is evilllll.

not to bad bro. yea clomid sucks made me emotional for dumb stuff. hopefully you recover but im leaning towards trt man. but what do i know anyways? really hope the best for you, life is toooo short to be down.

[abbot138]

not to bad bro. yea clomid sucks made me emotional for dumb stuff. hopefully you recover but im leaning towards trt man. but what do i know anyways? really hope the best for you, life is toooo short to be down.

Yeah id imagine your right. I'll keep ya posted.

[warchild]

cool stay strong!

[vinceproduction]

No prob, I'll post my bw as soon as I get it. It is good to know I'm not the only one.... Seems like nobody understands what we're going through unless they have themselves. Today has been horrible, emotional like warchild said, I can go from happy as hell the first couple hrs I'm awake, then all it takes is one thing to set me off and I'm like a monster, yelling at the wife, kids, etc. Then remorsefull and feel like crap... I'm so tempted to give up and take a damn shot! But still hanging on....

[SUPERMAN5039]

Hey all. Been cruising and blasting for 5 yrs and decided a couple months ago (for various reasons) to come off completely. My TRT dose was always around 150mg. Various compounds while blasting, blasts never longer than 12 weeks. Im 30 now, got married, want to eventually have kids. Went to endo he of course advised me to come off everything including HCG, so I slowly ramped my test down to about 120mg a week and have been completely off for a month now. I dont feel completely awful (not suicidal or anything). But I definately feel like shit and Test is definately in the crapper. Go back to endo on Monday, but Im not expecting much help, if he is a prick as I suspect he will be, I was considering treating myself and monitoring my blood work with my regular doc. I was going to use Swifto's Aggressive PCT plan,

wk 1-8 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED first 7 days)
wk 1-8 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days, 100mg/ED next 7 days)

Do you think it is completely hopeless and I am more or less screwed as far as ever getting my body to produce Test on its own? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Take care.

I wish I was 30 again.. LOL just turned the big 50 in July..If you did everything right for the 5 years u should bounce back.. and as long as you don't have any under lying other issues, it might take time and longer pct.. I didn't start trt until I was 48 and I already had 4 kids.. I did start cycling in the 80s when roids weren't considered illegal.. never did pct back then.. and I had 4 kids.

[vetek12]

man reading these responses is making me feel worse... my doc to try take me off trt and i have a feeling its not going to fix my problems. its going to do more than just effect me with low test levels, i work very hard to get my physique despite not having the best genetics, ive given alot up and if i start to lose strength and size its going to make me depressed and emotional and stressed proabably making me feel even worse... fukkkkkkkkkkkkkk ill just get off it, do his pct. massive cycle and get a new doc lol..semi srs

[abbot138]

No prob, I'll post my bw as soon as I get it. It is good to know I'm not the only one.... Seems like nobody understands what we're going through unless they have themselves. Today has been horrible, emotional like warchild said, I can go from happy as hell the first couple hrs I'm awake, then all it takes is one thing to set me off and I'm like a monster, yelling at the wife, kids, etc. Then remorsefull and feel like crap... I'm so tempted to give up and take a damn shot! But still hanging on....

That sounds familiar. lol....hang in there man, hopefully you have a strong support group and in the back of your mind just keep telling yourself that its just the SERMS, not you, and its just temporary....Worst to worst we go back to TRT. I will keep you posted with my progress too.

[GotNoBlueMilk]

just keep telling yourself that its just the SERMS, not you, and its just temporary

That brings back memories of my magic mushroom days.

[abbot138]

That brings back memories of my magic mushroom days.

LOL!!! Ewwww, theres another mind fvck. Hated that shiiit.

[abbot138]

I wish I was 30 again.. LOL just turned the big 50 in July..If you did everything right for the 5 years u should bounce back.. and as long as you don't have any under lying other issues, it might take time and longer pct.. I didn't start trt until I was 48 and I already had 4 kids.. I did start cycling in the 80s when roids weren't considered illegal.. never did pct back then.. and I had 4 kids.

Thanks for posting. Good to know you can have kids while cycling and not doing PCT, lol, seems like the gear=infertile myth has more or less been debunked. If you dont mind me asking, how many boys and girls? We all seem to be more prone to girls from what I have seen on here and in among my friends......2 months with a 2 week HCG blast prior is all I am willing to sacrifice to the effort. So if it doesnt happen by then, Im back to TRT....Actually getting early bloodwork tomorrow with my PCP and if i dont see anything promising ill probably stop immediately. Its no fun being a guinea pig.

[abbot138]

Well I totally lost it today guys. Complete melt down. Cant do this anymore, its just not worth it. I dont know if im just really sensitive to the Clomid or what. But i have never felt this shitty.....I am going to wheen myself off it and start back with TRT.....Waste of 2 months, pretty upset.

[bass]

Well I totally lost it today guys. Complete melt down. Cant do this anymore, its just not worth it. I dont know if im just really sensitive to the Clomid or what. But i have never felt this shitty.....I am going to wheen myself off it and start back with TRT.....Waste of 2 months, pretty upset.

sometimes we learn the hard way. welcome back bro!

[abbot138]

sometimes we learn the hard way. welcome back bro!

Yeah i guess I just needed to try, never had a very good reason when people asked me why i was stopping....FVCK Clomid, evil stuff man.......I'll be around here plenty over the next couple months. My endo sucks and my insurance sucks, so I will probably be doing it on my own and getting blood work done every 10-12 weeks. I really want to do it right this time, keep Estrogen down, keep Test no higher than 800-900, I got sloppy with it too often before.

[warchild]

Well I totally lost it today guys. Complete melt down. Cant do this anymore, its just not worth it. I dont know if im just really sensitive to the Clomid or what. But i have never felt this shitty.....I am going to wheen myself off it and start back with TRT.....Waste of 2 months, pretty upset.

ohhhhhhh hate to say i told you so! welcome back! in the face!!!

[abbot138]

ohhhhhhh hate to say i told you so! welcome back! in the face!!!

LOL.....You and everyone else. Im gonna be more responsible with it this time, and wont be cycling AT ALL. Just wanna be fvcking normal man! Is that too much to ask?! lol

[warchild]

100-200mg a week keeps me in good spirits and motivated

[warchild]

not too much to ask at all. when are you starting back up??

[abbot138]

not too much to ask at all. when are you starting back up??

1 hour ago, lol. Gonna take a while to get into my system anyway, so I might as well start right away.