Mitigating Joint Pain - tips and tricks?

[CraigWatts]

Did a six week cycle of Anavar (or what I believed to be Anavar) from a reliable (or what I was told was a reliable) source back in January.

Definitely was a great experience, except that at about week 4, I began to develop severe joint pain. My clavical and shoulders hurt so much that I could only Bench 75% of the weight I could before Anavar. My elbow joints hurt so much I couldn't do dumbbells. Still, I pressed on (very stupid) and endured the ripping and tearing pain. By week 6 I had to stop early. Couldn't do it anymore. Since I hadn't stopped earlier, I spent the next 4 months unable to work out. My joints hurt like hell. To test the theory that it really was due to the drug, I took one full dose of it, a month later. The same day I worked out and the joint pain was back with a vengeance. Took me nearly a week for that new pain to subside. I was doing 40mg daily, taking it all at once. Mornings, because if I split it up, I was unable to sleep.

I am now ready to try Anavar from a different source. Maybe I got the wrong product last time. I will know the minute I take the first capsule.

But I know joint pain is an issue on some gear. I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions on how to reduce this side effect in general. There have to be some tricks and tips for getting a head start on it. I know joint pain is something that you're screwed if you wait until it starts. If you can prevent it, you're better off. I've been brainstorming some ideas but I am not as educated as you guys. Here are my uneducated ideas. Comments?

1) Does dosing reduce side effects? Specifically joint pain? Have read some who say you MUST split up your dose. If you're taking 40mg you want to do 20 and 20 every day. Others have told me you want to do it all up front. Which is typically better for avoiding potential side effects?

2) Does ramping up dose reduce side effects? It was suggested that instead of starting out at 40, I should start out at 20 for a week or two, then work my way up. They said this is "exactly why" i had more side effects. Factual?

3) Water intake? I was doing 1 gallon of water per day. I will continue with that.

4) Ample (and I mean ample) amounts of fish oil? Recommended amount?

5) 1000mg of Glucosamine per day. (more recommended?)

6) 500mg Chondritin per day. (more?)

7) 500mg MSM per day. (more?)

8) I never. Ever. Ever stretch before I work out. I usually just dive in. Do you think this will help? I remember my joints feeling insanely hard. Tight. So tight and so "taught" and hard that movement seemed to rip them and hurt them. But once movement got going, they immediately seemed to loosen up.

Who knows - maybe I really had another product altogether, and these wont cause any problems!

CW

[Razor]

I've never done a cycle without GH, seems to help me with joint pain. Hope you got the oxandrolone S.P.A though. That's the good stuff from Italy.
Have you taken some rest days? You need to be stretching, in training, thats one of the biggest things to do, IMO. But in other people opinion they say not to stretch.
Pro BB I have seen using 50-60mg a day and you started at 40, might have been better to ramp it up over time. But I heard that anavar is supposed to help with jointsorenes, not make it worse..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36553174.../#.Tt3RZGO9BqQ

[CraigWatts]

I'm reading that the proper dose is 0.125 per pound of body weight. For me that would be 23mg per day. I was doing 40. I respond heavily to anything I take. So maybe for me, I overdid it. Even though I know some of you dudes do 100mg a day. I think my head would explode.

[Razor]

I'm reading that the proper dose is 0.125 per pound of body weight. For me that would be 23mg per day. I was doing 40. I respond heavily to anything I take. So maybe for me, I overdid it. Even though I know some of you dudes do 100mg a day. I think my head would explode.

I would never go above 100, and remember what I said, Anavar is supposed to help with joint pain
or it could have been winny tabs.

[Bonaparte]

Sounds like you had Winstrol.
And 40 or 50 mg is by no means a high dose.

[CraigWatts]

One man's 'by no means high' is another mans high ...

For example. I have, for fun, taken 1/5th dose of Viagra before. Major, solid erections for hours "on call" which continued "on call" well into the next day.

My buddy takes an entire dose and sees decent effects, but for only 2 to 4 hours. Then nothing.

Huge difference in dose and response.

[Razor]

One man's 'by no means high' is another mans high ...

For example. I have, for fun, taken 1/5th dose of Viagra before. Major, solid erections for hours "on call" which continued "on call" well into the next day.

My buddy takes an entire dose and sees decent effects, but for only 2 to 4 hours. Then nothing.

Haha, Viagra
True I guess it also depends on saturation lvls.

[Times Roman]

Sounds like you had Winstrol.
And 40 or 50 mg is by no means a high dose.

damned if you weren't just now reading my mind!

....i was thinking this sounded more like winnie than var. and winnie is cheap.

....think the reliable source would do a "switcheroo"?

[CraigWatts]

Alright so let me play devil's advocate (aside from the fact that noooooooooobody has said a thing about ways to avoid joint pain) ....

Lets say I pop my first Var capsule from the NEW SOURCE, which my friends have taken and HAD NO JOINT PAIN ... tomorrow , and when I get to the gym, my shoulder joints feel like there are razor blades in them again.

That is what I am predicting.

Then what?

[Razor]

I really dont know what to tell you about avoiding the joint pain, Ive been a trainer for years and the only thing that I can tell you is rest rest and rest. That being said, GH does help with joint pain, it made my bad knee, my good knee. As far as your anavar being winny, you just going to have to test it out longer and see what effects you are getting from it. But taking a week off might not be a bad thing.

[CraigWatts]

I've been off Anavar for 7 months.

I was about to start again.

And im too afraid to take GH ...

[Razor]

I've been off Anavar for 7 months.

I was about to start again.

And im too afraid to take GH ...

Haha, well if you start again post some pics here so we can all take a look at it, I've seen so much of that stuff I could spot a fake with my eyes closed Its to bad Avavar is a highly faked drug Ive seen that stuff in football shapes, stars, octagons you name it I've seen it.. We wont lead you wrong here.

[CraigWatts]

Already did. Feel free to take a stab at it:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=#post5825079

[Razor]

Oh yea I commented on that, I think that is fake man, Or at least not Anavar, never seen anything like that. Looks like some herbal diet pills to me. And its giving you sides that are not the usual with Avanvar and more with winny.

[CraigWatts]

Both you and I have no way of knowing if its fake or not.

There are undgeround labs that compile their own stuff.

After I posted that thread I spoke to several people who have used it from the same source in this city and they say its fully legit.

So fingers crossed.

[Bonaparte]

Both you and I have no way of knowing if its fake or not.

There are undgeround labs that compile their own stuff.

After I posted that thread I spoke to several people who have used it from the same source in this city and they say its fully legit.

So fingers crossed.

Exactly.
But its amazing that Razr thinks he can analyze the contents of a capsule by looking at it.

[gearbox]

read the first line and I thought it was whinny...you could probably guess it was whinny by the price. I am not asking you to post but i heard and my source is anavar is way expensive as compared to whinny. Especially if your running 50+ mg

[Razor]

Exactly.
But its amazing that Razr thinks he can analyze the contents of a capsule by looking at it.

Well I dunno man, I've just never come across anything ever that looks like that. More testing on yourself might be needed, but a lot of people here think you could be taking winny.

read the first line and I thought it was whinny...you could probably guess it was whinny by the price. I am not asking you to post but i heard and my source is anavar is way expensive as compared to whinny. Especially if your running 50+ mg

Yes Anavar is expensive, very expensive, first class drug!

[Times Roman]

to help reduce joint pain (this is what I do)
msm = 5grams/day forever
HA Knee injections = each year
Powder HA taken orally = 2 grams/day when i have pain (it's moderately expensive)
knee brace
DMSO when painful flareups (use sparingly)
alleve = 1 or 2 tabs when needed

[Razor]

to help reduce joint pain (this is what I do)
msm = 5grams/day forever
HA Knee injections = each year
Powder HA taken orally = 2 grams/day when i have pain (it's moderately expensive)
knee brace
DMSO when painful flareups (use sparingly)
alleve = 1 or 2 tabs when needed

You are an old man arn't cha

[Times Roman]

Well I dunno man, I've just never come across anything ever that looks like that. More testing on yourself might be needed, but a lot of people here think you could be taking winny.




Yes Anavar is expensive, very expensive, first class drug!

I have purchased var powder several times. Typically it is fairly dense, as opposed to drol that has a tendency to be fluffy/powdery. The size of the particulate matter (grains) of var really depend on who manufactured, and how it was processed.

Drol reminds me (sort of) of powdered sugar (texture, not flavor)
Var reminds me (sort of) of a fine grit sand, except a little lighter in weight

[Razor]

I usually try to find it like this.