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    Quote Originally Posted by xelnaga View Post
    Can you expand on that thought please?

    Well, although dboll has been structurally altered at the 17th carbon position to allow it to survive ingestion so it may be absorbed into the blood after its first pass through the liver it still breaks down by a % depending on the grade of product made. So based on his question as to eat or not to eat when taking the pill itself, my arguement/opinion would be to take it with a high lipid food which should help shuttle the 17 Alpha-Alkylated through/into the cell membranes allowing for a higher % yield first pass thus better absorption into the blood after first pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bishop View Post
    Well, although dboll has been structurally altered at the 17th carbon position to allow it to survive ingestion so it may be absorbed into the blood after its first pass through the liver it still breaks down by a % depending on the grade of product made. So based on his question as to eat or not to eat when taking the pill itself, my arguement/opinion would be to take it with a high lipid food which should help shuttle the 17 Alpha-Alkylated through/into the cell membranes allowing for a higher % yield first pass thus better absorption into the blood after first pass.
    Mr. Copy and Paste....Without using Google, could you please tell me what a "high lipid food" is?

    OP-Just take the stuff. Doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bishop View Post
    Well, although dboll has been structurally altered at the 17th carbon position to allow it to survive ingestion so it may be absorbed into the blood after its first pass through the liver it still breaks down by a % depending on the grade of product made. So based on his question as to eat or not to eat when taking the pill itself, my arguement/opinion would be to take it with a high lipid food which should help shuttle the 17 Alpha-Alkylated through/into the cell membranes allowing for a higher % yield first pass thus better absorption into the blood after first pass.
    I can tell you like sounding clinical. But why give advice on this forum that requires people to look things up? If they wanted to look things up, they wouldn't come here to ask questions.

    High lipid foods: Oils, dairy, nuts, meet, high-fat vegies like olives and avocados. Also on the list were packaged and processed foods and creamy sauces...but those don't usually fit well into our micros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    I can tell you like sounding clinical. But why give advice on this forum that requires people to look things up? If they wanted to look things up, they wouldn't come here to ask questions.

    High lipid foods: Oils, dairy, nuts, meet, high-fat vegies like olives and avocados. Also on the list were packaged and processed foods and creamy sauces...but those don't usually fit well into our micros.

    I tried it a different way, Seems like im dammed if I do, dammed if I don't (kicks can)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bishop View Post
    I tried it a different way, Seems like im dammed if I do, dammed if I don't (kicks can)
    Dammed how? I know what high lipid foods are, doesn't everybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bishop View Post
    Well, although dboll has been structurally altered at the 17th carbon position to allow it to survive ingestion so it may be absorbed into the blood after its first pass through the liver it still breaks down by a % depending on the grade of product made. So based on his question as to eat or not to eat when taking the pill itself, my arguement/opinion would be to take it with a high lipid food which should help shuttle the 17 Alpha-Alkylated through/into the cell membranes allowing for a higher % yield first pass thus better absorption into the blood after first pass.

    Ok so take with food. Check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bishop View Post
    Well, although dboll has been structurally altered at the 17th carbon position to allow it to survive ingestion so it may be absorbed into the blood after its first pass through the liver it still breaks down by a % depending on the grade of product made. So based on his question as to eat or not to eat when taking the pill itself, my arguement/opinion would be to take it with a high lipid food which should help shuttle the 17 Alpha-Alkylated through/into the cell membranes allowing for a higher % yield first pass thus better absorption into the blood after first pass.
    This post is rubbish. I dont know where you copied it or if you wrote it - but its total rubbish. Fats increase the absorption of lymphatically absrobed medicines - not 17aa substances. The shullting of the 17aa into cells garbage is possibly one of the most follish things I have ever read. Either you are toallty misinformed and confused - or you cut and pasted it from somewhere else without doing any due dillegence to see if it was accurate. I dont care who may have posted it-its wrong. Please stick to answering question you have experience with or the knowledge to accurately answer. This is the textbook example of how broscience originates.

    Answer - take your dbol whever the hell you want - any absprtion effects based on dietary intake would be absolutely insignificant.

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