Just a couple questions for the pros about a test E cycle

[choker28]

nice one Aus, i too wish ppl would stop fretting about muscle loss, it doesnt happen that easily and you need to be in shit street for your body to turn to muscle for fuel ie, starving

Depending on what time you go to bed,lets say 11 pm say last meal was 8-9 pm and if your training will be primarily protein,Then rise at say 10 am down the gym for 11 am so thats 14 hours without food, for a trained athlete the body will be starving,the body will not burn fat as energy with out carbs being present.

[The Bear 79]

Depending on what time you go to bed,lets say 11 pm say last meal was 8-9 pm and if your training will be primarily protein,Then rise at say 10 am down the gym for 11 am so thats 14 hours without food, for a trained athlete the body will be starving,the body will not burn fat as energy with out carbs being present.

Well then get up between 6 & 8, like a normal person. Do u REALLY lay in bed til 10?!?!? And ur body doesn't go in2 "starve" mode that easy / quick. You'll know when ur body has reached starvation...............severe headaches, fatigue / lethargy, irritable temperament, weakened immune system, & dizziness / nausea, r just a few of the symptoms u will experience if ur body is in a state of starvation, & its not gona happen it 12 - 14 hrs. And YES, the body WILL burn fat "without carbs being present". Did u not read the study auslifta posted?

[choker28]

just because some random internet article says so ,i could show you various internet article that say the opposite like this one Cardio in the Morning on an Empty Stomach
First of all it’s a myth that cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is the best way to burn fat. This isn’t just my opinion but the most knowledgeable trainers and exercise experts agree that cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is not good for you body.

The myth purveyors will tell you that in the morning that you have low glycogen stores and energy levels are low because you haven’t consumed any carbohydrates, so then you will tap into your fat stores.

This is TOTALLY wrong. The complete opposite happens.

Why is it wrong? Fat burning doesn’t occur during cardio exercise, but about two hours after. Instead your body will look at your tasty muscles for energy meaning. Good-bye muscles.

So unless your goal is to become scrawny and lose muscle then by all means do cardio in the morning.
Its also common sense not to do cardio on an empty stomach. You won’t have a satisfactory amount of energy meaning decreases performance which means less gains and poor results. And if you think about it, your body has just fasted for eight hours and it needs something to eat to refuel itself.

[auslifta]

just because some random internet article says so ,i could show you various internet article that say the opposite like this one Cardio in the Morning on an Empty Stomach
First of all it’s a myth that cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is the best way to burn fat. This isn’t just my opinion but the most knowledgeable trainers and exercise experts agree that cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is not good for you body.





Why is it wrong? Fat burning doesn’t occur during cardio exercise, but about two hours after. Instead your body will look at your tasty muscles for energy meaning. Good-bye muscles.

So unless your goal is to become scrawny

Chris Aceto is just some random article writer? haha. What does that make you?

I've done very well on fasted cardio, in fact I did a cut on intermittent fasting, I managed to get from 15%@94kgs to around 87kgs @10% in 9 weeks, all my lifts went up, my quads and arm measurements stayed the same. Strength stayed same on almost all lifts. All natural. Look up lean gains, they get great results with a 16hr fast every day.

[Swifto]

just because some random internet article says so ,i could show you various internet article that say the opposite like this one Cardio in the Morning on an Empty Stomach
First of all it’s a myth that cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is the best way to burn fat. This isn’t just my opinion but the most knowledgeable trainers and exercise experts agree that cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is not good for you body.

The myth purveyors will tell you that in the morning that you have low glycogen stores and energy levels are low because you haven’t consumed any carbohydrates, so then you will tap into your fat stores.

This is TOTALLY wrong. The complete opposite happens.

Why is it wrong? Fat burning doesn’t occur during cardio exercise, but about two hours after. Instead your body will look at your tasty muscles for energy meaning. Good-bye muscles.

So unless your goal is to become scrawny and lose muscle then by all means do cardio in the morning.
Its also common sense not to do cardio on an empty stomach. You won’t have a satisfactory amount of energy meaning decreases performance which means less gains and poor results. And if you think about it, your body has just fasted for eight hours and it needs something to eat to refuel itself.

You're somewhat correct, though a little vague.

Carb ingestion does effect fat oxidation at low intensity's (25-50% VO2 max), but it MAY reduce effect fat oxidation at higher intensity's (63-68% VO2 max) in untrained subjects, but do NOT reduce fat oxidation in trained subjects for at least the first 80-120 minutes of exercise.

At the established intensity level of peak fat oxidation (~63% VO2 max), carbohydrate increases performance without any suppression of fat oxidation in trained subjects.

Carbohydrate during exercise spares liver glycogen, which is among the most critical factors for anticatabolism during hypocaloric & other conditions of metabolic stress. This protective hepatic effect is absent in fasted cardio.

My opinion from the above: FASTED cardio does not need to be done at all.

[choker28]

well its nice to have someone else have similar thought to myself thanks for the imput

[auslifta]

Depending on what time you go to bed,lets say 11 pm say last meal was 8-9 pm and if your training will be primarily protein,Then rise at say 10 am down the gym for 11 am so thats 14 hours without food, for a trained athlete the body will be starving,the body will not burn fat as energy with out carbs being present.

I dont know any respected body builder that has last meal at 8pm and sleeps for 11hrs. Usually your last meal/consumption of food would be red meat/cottage cheese/casein shake just before sleep, lets say 10pm, then rise at 6am for a 1 hour cardio session. Red meat can take up to 12 hours to digest and up to 24 hrs to convert to amino acids. It takes alot longer for your body to go into starvation mode. Not the 14hrs you suggest, thats just more broscience. If you managed to read my post you first responded to you'd see I suggested taking BCAA's upon waking also.