My 1st BIG BOY cycle.

[The Bear 79]

if you arent both on trt it could be in your future if you cycle like that guys

Yeah I kno, that's the 1 thing that's been weighing heavy on me while contemplating this. I guess, overall wut I'm looking 4 is consistently significant gains, above & beyond the scope of my natty ability, without the depressing loss after PCT. These r the pro's & con's of TRT that I've weighed so far: Con = if I end up on TRT, it will quite take some time 2 get the dose correctly adjusted & 4 me 2 start "feeling normal" again. And then I'll hav 2 inject Test. 4 the rest of my life. Pro = If I end up on TRT, I'll never hav 2 PCT again, & I'll hav a legal script 4 Test. Wut do u think? Any thing significant I should take in2 consideration during my continued contemplation?

[xelnaga]

Yeah I kno, that's the 1 thing that's been weighing heavy on me while contemplating this. I guess, overall wut I'm looking 4 is consistently significant gains, above & beyond the scope of my natty ability, without the depressing loss after PCT. These r the pro's & con's of TRT that I've weighed so far: Con = if I end up on TRT, it will quite take some time 2 get the dose correctly adjusted & 4 me 2 start "feeling normal" again. And then I'll hav 2 inject Test. 4 the rest of my life. Pro = If I end up on TRT, I'll never hav 2 PCT again, & I'll hav a legal script 4 Test. Wut do u think? Any thing significant I should take in2 consideration during my continued contemplation?

Trt also takes the worry of crashing your test with stress, diet, or sleep problems.

[dec11]

Yeah I kno, that's the 1 thing that's been weighing heavy on me while contemplating this. I guess, overall wut I'm looking 4 is consistently significant gains, above & beyond the scope of my natty ability, without the depressing loss after PCT. These r the pro's & con's of TRT that I've weighed so far: Con = if I end up on TRT, it will quite take some time 2 get the dose correctly adjusted & 4 me 2 start "feeling normal" again. And then I'll hav 2 inject Test. 4 the rest of my life. Pro = If I end up on TRT, I'll never hav 2 PCT again, & I'll hav a legal script 4 Test. Wut do u think? Any thing significant I should take in2 consideration during my continued contemplation?

its up to you mate, big decision. btw, it isnt that difficult to get levels correct for trt.

[HitIt]

although i see people talk about having blood work done after using orals quite often, it think it would be wise to have blood taken BEFORE the use of orals to test for abnormal liver function because ALF puts users of oral steroids at greater risk (not just directed at OP, who I assume has had BW done before)

[The Bear 79]

although i see people talk about having blood work done after using orals quite often, it think it would be wise to have blood taken BEFORE the use of orals to test for abnormal liver function because ALF puts users of oral steroids at greater risk (not just directed at OP, who I assume has had BW done before)

Every 6 months & always b4 & after cycle.

[Knockout_Power]

Just read through this and the one thing that stood out to me (other than the amounts initially suggested) was the first cycle of 250/wk.

I didnt think anyone else did that. When someone comes to me asking about cycling, and I know they have decent base, but they are not sure if they want a full first "normal" cycle of 500/wk, I tell them to try 250-300/wk of a simple test E. They often end up very suprised when they put on a quality 6-8lbs, shed a couple lbs of jelly in less than 3 months and retain all of the gains.

This I like!!!

[The Bear 79]

Just read through this and the one thing that stood out to me (other than the amounts initially suggested) was the first cycle of 250/wk.

I didnt think anyone else did that. When someone comes to me asking about cycling, and I know they have decent base, but they are not sure if they want a full first "normal" cycle of 500/wk, I tell them to try 250-300/wk of a simple test E. They often end up very suprised when they put on a quality 6-8lbs, shed a couple lbs of jelly in less than 3 months and retain all of the gains.

This I like!!!

Yeah, basically it boiled down 2 a case of the nerves, I despite all my research & self educating, I was afraid I was gona hurt myself, so "crawl b4 u walk" came 2 mind.

[Knockout_Power]

ok, so I may have lost myself in here... did you run the "bog boy" cycle? Any alterations? How did it go?

[The Bear 79]

ok, so I may have lost myself in here... did you run the "bog boy" cycle? Any alterations? How did it go?

No I hav not run the "Big Boy" & after a wiser contemplation, I hav no intentions of doing so.

[Knockout_Power]

ah, good call.... seeing all that gear always makes me cringe

[Jean Claude]

Bear was suicidal trying to do that much!

[Knockout_Power]

its not that much, he included EQ just to up his total amount... its not like it actually does anything =)

[The Bear 79]

its not that much, he included EQ just to up his total amount... its not like it actually does anything =)

Yeah, I learned that sad truth in my 3rd cycle. EQ. SUCKS!!!!

[Brohim]

dumb to run huge amout of gear unless you compete or make money off being huge. jmo

[gearbox]

orange

[Knockout_Power]

orange

very profound, ranks up there with confucius

[gearbox]

he asked where I was from and thats the city, he is from la so he will know! did you want my address knockout power, you may be able to eat your way here!

[The Bear 79]

he asked where I was from and thats the city, he is from la so he will know! did you want my address knockout power, you may be able to eat your way here!

.........

orange

Orange County. The buddy I spoke of lives in Huntington Beach.

[gearbox]

......... Orange County. The buddy I spoke of lives in Huntington Beach.

nice...lots of bb and fit ppl (male and female) come out of that area...I think cause its on the beach...thats my guess...

[SG2009]

I suspect this kid name Bear_79 has been banned before on this Board. He's IP needs to be check for security of this forum.

[The Bear 79]

I suspect this kid name Bear_79 has been banned before on this Board. He's IP needs to check for security of this forum.

UH OH.......som1 is getting pitifully desperate..................

[Knockout_Power]

he asked where I was from and thats the city, he is from la so he will know! did you want my address knockout power, you may be able to eat your way here!

mmmm. fooooood... I would like to make a trip down there, but Im not fluent in the official first language of spanish... the eats are good though

[Knockout_Power]

maybe I should run a multi-multi-multi compound cycle

I wonder which 5 I should use...

[HellRiserPL]

I suspect this kid name Bear_79 has been banned before on this Board. He's IP needs to be check for security of this forum.

Where did that came from ? Hate much , santa no go, poopy pants, hitler stash ? What's wrong man do you need love or you just jealous about the gear ?

[wantaesthetics]

hey bro im interested in how your recovery was for cycle 2 without hcg ? (unless u used it in which case disregard the q). and how long were u off after pct if u don't mind me asking because I want to see how effective hcg is in terms of recovery with people here.

[The Bear 79]

hey bro im interested in how your recovery was for cycle 2 without hcg ? (unless u used it in which case disregard the q). and how long were u off after pct if u don't mind me asking because I want to see how effective hcg is in terms of recovery with people here.

My 2nd cycle recovery was a complete success according 2 blood work. But now that I kno about HCG I wont b cycling again without it, it works very well. It was about 2 + yrs after my 2nd cycle / PCT, b4 I started my 3rd.

[Sgt. Hartman]

If you're just looking for big gains, I would run the cycle you originally proposed instead of the sling shot method. Your chances of HPTA recovery would be much greater IMO and even if you could put on a couple more lbs of LBM with the SS (which I'm not convinced of), being on TRT for life isn't worth it.

[The Bear 79]

If you're just looking for big gains, I would run the cycle you originally proposed instead of the sling shot method. Your chances of HPTA recovery would be much greater IMO and even if you could put on a couple more lbs of LBM with the SS (which I'm not convinced of), being on TRT for life isn't worth it.

Not just "big" gains bro, consistent gains, like I sed b4, I don't like the depressing loss after PCT, it seems like such a waste of time, money & effort. But I defiantly respect ur opinion about TRT, & am lookin4ward 2 hearing mor (from u or others) as I haven't made a decision yet.

[SG2009]

Where did that came from ? Hate much , santa no go, poopy pants, hitler stash ? What's wrong man do you need love or you just jealous about the gear ?

HellRiser,

It ain't jealousy or anything bro. I have been in this Board on and off since 2009 going back to 2005. I know most of the Moderators Here.
The kid name Bear_79 just joined the Board in August of this years, 2011. Yet if u read some of his comment below, u won't missed the fact that he has been on this Board b4 August of 2011. So what does tell u?

Personally I think Bear_79 was banned b4 on this Board. He's a Returnee with a Different username and password.
Someone needs to Check his IP to see if it matches with those Banned befor August 2011.

My 2nd cycle recovery was a complete success according 2 blood work. But now that I kno about HCG I wont b cycling again without it, it works very well. It was about 2 + yrs after my 2nd cycle / PCT, b4 I started my 3rd.

[Matt]

HellRiser,

It ain't jealousy or anything bro. I have been in this Board on and off since 2009 going back to 2005. I know most of the Moderators Here.
The kid name Bear_79 just joined the Board in August of this years, 2011. Yet if u read some of his comment below, u won't missed the fact that he has been on this Board b4 August of 2011. So what does tell u?

Personally I think Bear_79 was banned b4 on this Board. He's a Returnee with a Different username and password.
Someone needs to Check his IP to see if it matches with those Banned befor August 2011.

IP run with no matches???

Mate as i say to everyone, if you have nothing positive to add please don't post, if Bear has upset you then please take it to pm's...

Thank you...

[The Bear 79]

HellRiser,

It ain't jealousy or anything bro. I have been in this Board on and off since 2009 going back to 2005. I know most of the Moderators Here.
The kid name Bear_79 just joined the Board in August of this years, 2011. Yet if u read some of his comment below, u won't missed the fact that he has been on this Board b4 August of 2011. So what does tell u?

Personally I think Bear_79 was banned b4 on this Board. He's a Returnee with a Different username and password.
Someone needs to Check his IP to see if it matches with those Banned befor August 2011.

Ur bout as sharp as a bowling ball man. How does me starting my 3rd cycle 2 yrs after my 2nd, suggest or prove that I'm a previously banned member? It makes absolutely ZERO sense. Just bcuz I cycled b4 Aug 2011, doesn't mean I was a member here. Members of this forum aren't the only people in the world that use AAS. U really just showed every1 how much of an ignorant fool u r................as if ur post history (inexperienced B.S. & lies) wasn't enuf, u just put the icing on the cake.