Typical cycle results?

[Bonaparte]

Most of the impressive bb.com "naturals" use OTC designer steroids and PHs.
And steroids aren't magical. Most recreational/moderate users (those that run maybe 2 cycles per year) will only have 10-20 lbs of LBM over their natural counterparts, if that.
Also, those narcissists on bb.com with dozens of pics are like Myspace whores. They only post the pics with great lighting and all that, making them look much better than they normally do.

So steroids aren't magical and don't make everyone huge, though if you want to be one of those ripped 250lb monsters (you know the ones I'm talking about), you basically need to abuse AAS year 'round.

[Supertotal]

And steroids aren't magical.

So steroids aren't magical and don't make everyone huge, though if you want to be one of those ripped 250lb monsters (you know the ones I'm talking about), you basically need to abuse AAS year 'round.

I am going to take exception to this thought. From my limited personal experience, and from my considerable experience being around some outrageously strong individuals I will say this. Steroids *CAN* be magical, even the "weak" (big LOL) ones. It depends on what you can accomplish without them. It depends on how far you went naturally, assuming you gained until you crossed over. From what I have seen, they will give the average user a certain percentage of gains, so if you bench pressed your 185lb body weight when you started using and gained 15% you'll still only bench 215lbs. If you pressed 400lbs at 225lb body weight when you went on and gained the same 15%, well............... Lets just say the second guy is a lot more "enchanted" than the first!

That is not to say you will gain 15%. I'm speaking theoretically here.

Also, I know a few 250lb monsters that are lifetime drug free. They might not be shredded, but they are hardly fat either. They are also crazy strong. It wouldn't take too much to "rip" them up if they went on. Certainly not "abuse" levels, and certainly not year round.


My two bits. I just want to provide some often needed perspective around here.

[Bonaparte]

I am going to take exception to this thought. From my limited personal experience, and from my considerable experience being around some outrageously strong individuals I will say this. Steroids *CAN* be magical, even the "weak" (big LOL) ones. It depends on what you can accomplish without them. It depends on how far you went naturally, assuming you gained until you crossed over. From what I have seen, they will give the average user a certain percentage of gains, so if you bench pressed your 185lb body weight when you started using and gained 15% you'll still only bench 215lbs. If you pressed 400lbs at 225lb body weight when you went on and gained the same 15%, well............... Lets just say the second guy is a lot more "enchanted" than the first!

That is not to say you will gain 15%. I'm speaking theoretically here.

Also, I know a few 250lb monsters that are lifetime drug free. They might not be shredded, but they are hardly fat either. They are also crazy strong. It wouldn't take too much to "rip" them up if they went on. Certainly not "abuse" levels, and certainly not year round.


My two bits. I just want to provide some often needed perspective around here.

Ummm...thanks.
Your convoluted rambling thoughts full of contradictions really added needed perspective to this thread.

[xelnaga]

Ummm...thanks.
Your convoluted rambling thoughts full of contradictions really added needed perspective to this thread.

Lengthiest explanation of nothing award.

[Supertotal]

Ummm...thanks.
Your convoluted rambling thoughts full of contradictions really added needed perspective to this thread.

You're welcome. But convoluted? possibly. It was early. Rambling? I don't think so. Contradictions? again, no.

I agree this board can use a different viewpoint when it comes to threads like this. It is usually the same ol' same ol' every time. I understand you are speaking to the average user based on experience from other average users and common results, but why lie to get a point across? To some people these drugs are going to be pure magic. That doesn't excuse them from doing real work. The great irony is that the harder someone works and the more intelligently they train and research, the less they actually need drugs to do great things. The other great irony perhaps is that these same people are the ones that will get the most out of "cheating" with them as well, when they decide to make the jump. If they're going to abuse the privilege and waste their time, money, and future health on a little boost when they don't need it and don't deserve it then let them. Someone who is dead set on being a ripped 250lb monster will find a way to do it with or without abusing AAS. Someone who is lazy and stupid will never be great, even if they are raised by doctors, trained by the master and live in a pharmacy.

[dec11]

I am going to take exception to this thought. From my limited personal experience, and from my considerable experience being around some outrageously strong individuals I will say this. Steroids *CAN* be magical, even the "weak" (big LOL) ones. It depends on what you can accomplish without them. It depends on how far you went naturally, assuming you gained until you crossed over. From what I have seen, they will give the average user a certain percentage of gains, so if you bench pressed your 185lb body weight when you started using and gained 15% you'll still only bench 215lbs. If you pressed 400lbs at 225lb body weight when you went on and gained the same 15%, well............... Lets just say the second guy is a lot more "enchanted" than the first!

That is not to say you will gain 15%. I'm speaking theoretically here.

Also, I know a few 250lb monsters that are lifetime drug free. They might not be shredded, but they are hardly fat either. They are also crazy strong. It wouldn't take too much to "rip" them up if they went on. Certainly not "abuse" levels, and certainly not year round.


My two bits. I just want to provide some often needed perspective around here.

arrogance as well as ignorance? what would one expect from the guy who squats maxs everyday and gained 'too hard' on an anavar bridge? man you need to learn humility and how to read and absorb rather than giving 'answers'

your tone makes me want to vomit. you'll be really popular on here.....


hahahaha, this says it all 'my oly and plifting super total'. wtf??? oh and 'why i left the sport', every hear of raw comps? you're full of shit

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=#post5682933

[Supertotal]

arrogance as well as ignorance? what would one expect from the guy who squats maxs everyday and gained 'too hard' on an anavar bridge? man you need to learn humility and how to read and absorb rather than giving 'answers'

your tone makes me want to vomit. you'll be really popular on here.....


hahahaha, this says it all 'my oly and plifting super total'. wtf??? oh and 'why i left the sport', every hear of raw comps? you're full of shit

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=#post5682933

1. No arrogance. And certainly no ignorance. Or was there a sticky above that says we must all share the exact same views on all topics? Did I miss that?

2. Yes, I have squatted to daily maxes every single day of the week, and for months on end. Did it for over a year at one point in my weightlifting training. Right now I am laying off the squats and still hit them heavy or light upwards of 6 times a week, though I don't consider two of those workouts to be "heavy" squatting. And again, you question this as an accepted and powerful method of training? This just points out YOUR ignorance. Take this ignorance to an Olympic weightlifting forum and see how long you last there. There is so much actual science, REAL science done by real scientists and quite literally countless real experts and masters that accept this as normal that you might as well question the validity of air travel as a form of transportation while you're at it. Your credibility is waning sharply.

And that was an Anavar/D-bol bridge. I think it is you that should learn to read?

3. Perhaps your nausea is a side-effect of something you are taking?

4. Are you questioning what a "super-total" is now? Again, how much do you really know about training? Are you really a powerlifter?

And ever hear of drug-testing? Perhaps you are one of those people that likes to beat clean lifters with gear, but I am not. Olympic weightlifting, IPF powerlifting, even 100% Raw, all drug-tested, and vigorously. It was either "retire" or cheat. I wanted to juice. There are no untested competitions for either sport anywhere near me. As of a year ago I am 100% happy to be just another gym rat. If these wonderful drugs work as well for me as I hope they do, perhaps I'll jump back in and compete again a few years from now.


Anything else I can help you with?