How long have you stayed on high dose gear?

[baseline_9]

That's dedication. Lol

Stupidity more like

[jamesz123]

I did 16 weeks on, did a PCT for 6 weeks and then went straight back on for another 12.... I couldnt wait to get back on after the PCT LOL

Im in PCT now for another 5 weeks and after that Im staying off untill around the summer time when im going to begin to experiment with short burst cycling

So you gained some solid mass that you carry around even when you off ?...how much new muscle bro ?

[BigBench550]

Stupidity more like

To each there own .

[freedo]

Seriously??

yes seriously

as all people says here when u start ur 1 st cycle u shold be 25 years and 190 - 200 lb so lets say 85 kilo
and i u did ir hm ( great diet and training ) u will gain around 8 kilos or test e onley at 500 mg week

and jay cutler compit weight around 140 kilos

so i guess after 3 cycles for 16 weeks in 2 years you will be at 100 kilo .

so ?

when u go * on * or 2 years u must be more than 100 !!!
am talking about avrage person at 180 cm tall 10 % bf .


or there is no need for 2 years cycle i u r not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

correct me i am wrong

[gixxerboy1]

you dont keep gaining the same amount each cycle. THe bigger you get the harder it is to gain no matter what you take.

[jamesz123]

I figure if you go on a long cycle it is best to train without them first (base) than have a bunch of regular cycles (learn how to train when on and gain some experience) and than go all out and do one a year or two in length etc. Just seems to be the best way but than what do I know !!

[BigBench550]

yes seriously

as all people says here when u start ur 1 st cycle u shold be 25 years and 190 - 200 lb so lets say 85 kilo
and i u did ir hm ( great diet and training ) u will gain around 8 kilos or test e onley at 500 mg week

and jay cutler compit weight around 140 kilos

so i guess after 3 cycles for 16 weeks in 2 years you will be at 100 kilo .

so ?

when u go * on * or 2 years u must be more than 100 !!!
am talking about avrage person at 180 cm tall 10 % bf .

or there is no need for 2 years cycle i u r not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

correct me i am wrong

Ok you kinda lost me there. But you don't gain the same amount every cycle. And mr Olympia isn't a weight contest. I'm 5'11 280 and a loooong way from being mr Olympia.

[SMcB]

I don't mean any disrespect here, but if you are going to be on TRT for life after being 'on' for years or using the 'blast and cruise' method, does that mean your testicles are permanently atrophied at that point?

[freedo]

Ok you kinda lost me there. But you don't gain the same amount every cycle. And mr Olympia isn't a weight contest. I'm 5'11 280 and a loooong way from being mr Olympia.

i didnt say u will gain the same in every cycle .
i saied if u r 85 kilo and take ur first cycle at this time u can be 100 kilo at 10 % bf after 3 or 4 cycles for 16 weeks onley cycles . at every cycle u can add some more componds . i think its possible to add 15 kilos with 4 cycles ( if ur diet and training in check ! )


so why do get shut down to ur self for ever on 2 years cycle !!! if u r not going to be jay cutler !!!!!!
just to add 2 kilos ?

now u tell me that u r 280 , did u run 2 years cycle ?
and why u r far away from competitions ?

[gixxerboy1]

i didnt say u will gain the same in every cycle .
i saied if u r 85 kilo and take ur first cycle at this time u can be 100 kilo at 10 % bf after 3 or 4 cycles for 16 weeks onley cycles . at every cycle u can add some more componds . i think its possible to add 15 kilos with 4 cycles ( if ur diet and training in check ! )


so why do get shut down to ur self for ever on 2 years cycle !!! if u r not going to be jay cutler !!!!!!
just to add 2 kilos ?

now u tell me that u r 280 , did u run 2 years cycle ?
and why u r far away from competitions ?

because not everyone wants to look like jay cutler. I was fighting trying to go pro. I was also making money off the way i looked. So i needed to recover fast and been in top shape all the time

[Swifto]

I don't mean any disrespect here, but if you are going to be on TRT for life after being 'on' for years or using the 'blast and cruise' method, does that mean your testicles are permanently atrophied at that point?

Continious use can mean permanent shutdown. Could be secondary or primary hypogonadism.

If you do cruise, use HCG throughout, taking breaks every 12-14 weeks and every 12-14 months come OFF totally and run HCG, Clomid, Tamox for 3-4 weeks and then restart.

Always use an AI when ramping Test. You may or may not need an AI on HRT doses.

[JohnnyVegas]

For all you guys and gals that have been on for more than say 9 months, what do you think are your true gains in terms of muscle mass ?

I am not one of the big guys, but I stared TRT at the beginning of last year plus did three short blasts. I had been out of the gym for years with an injury and was starting from scratch. I busted my *ss all year and slowly tightened up my diet. At the end of the year I had put on 25 pounds of muscle and lost 40 pounds of fat.

Keep in mind that I started with very low Test levels, so I was able to make up ground much faster than someone in great shape.

[BigBench550]

i didnt say u will gain the same in every cycle .
i saied if u r 85 kilo and take ur first cycle at this time u can be 100 kilo at 10 % bf after 3 or 4 cycles for 16 weeks onley cycles . at every cycle u can add some more componds . i think its possible to add 15 kilos with 4 cycles ( if ur diet and training in check ! )

so why do get shut down to ur self for ever on 2 years cycle !!! if u r not going to be jay cutler !!!!!!
just to add 2 kilos ?

now u tell me that u r 280 , did u run 2 years cycle ?
and why u r far away from competitions ?

I'm at 16 months so far and I do compete. Have one coming up on July.

[slimshady01]

Continious use can mean permanent shutdown. Could be secondary or primary hypogonadism.

If you do cruise, use HCG throughout, taking breaks every 12-14 weeks and every 12-14 months come OFF totally and run HCG, Clomid, Tamox for 3-4 weeks and then restart.

Always use an AI when ramping Test. You may or may not need an AI on HRT doses.

I'm at 750mg of test a week and not running an ai. I've always listened to ronnie r in respect to this.

Basically if your not getting gyno symptoms why bother? I have aromasin on hand and have been debating this.

Instead of a hijack I'll start my own thread , keep a look out swifto!

[hwy1378]

13 months with cycles but im also on TRT between. 46yrs old and i stopped producing Test naturally (or very little naturally) at 43.

[Swifto]

I'm at 750mg of test a week and not running an ai. I've always listened to ronnie r in respect to this.

Basically if your not getting gyno symptoms why bother? I have aromas in on hand and have been deleting this.

Instead of a hijack I'll start my own thread , keep a look out swifto!

Send me a link when done.

Anyone who states an AI isnt needed is plain wrong and I will explain why.

[slimshady01]

Send me a link when done.

Anyone who states an AI isnt needed is plain wrong and I will explain why.

here bro


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...13#post5862813

[cb714]

define a high dose bro? A high dose for you may not be a high does for lets say swifto or gixxerboy.

[BigBench550]

Not sure who your talking to but I'm a little over 2 grams.

[BigBench550]

I would say high is like 750 and up. Cause that's obv more than a cruise and plenty enough to shut you down.

[alexISthrowed]

To me a high dose would be 2g+ total compounds like bigbench said.

[slimshady01]

lol i thought my 750 i just started was high... 2grams i would feel like an oil refinery.

solid thread btw!

[alexISthrowed]

lol i thought my 750 i just started was high... 2grams i would feel like an oil refinery.

solid thread btw!

I feel like a beast around the 2g mark but I sleep like garbage and sweat profusely. Everyone's different when it comes to the doses they can handle.

[cb714]

I feel like a beast around the 2g mark but I sleep like garbage and sweat profusely. Everyone's different when it comes to the doses they can handle.

agreed... thats why I wanted the op to specify what is a high dose for him, cuz everyone is different.

[BigBench550]

agreed... thats why I wanted the op to specify what is a high dose for him, cuz everyone is different.

Yeah I really just was talking like a high enough dose that it wouldn't be considered TRT. Like if a first timer took 500 and stayed on for 2 years. I would even say that falls in this category.

[BigBench550]

lol i thought my 750 i just started was high... 2grams i would feel like an oil refinery.

solid thread btw!

Yeah it's quite a bit of oil lol. I do 3cc everyother day. And yeah I didn't think it would end up being this long.