To Investigate Video of Soldiers Urinating on Corpses

[thegodfather]

The sentiment expressed in this thread, is the reason we're in the places we are at overseas.

Members of the Taliban ARE NOT TERRORISTS!

Jesus christ. The pervasive ignorance that permeates this discussion is disgusting. First off, 'terrorism' is a TACTIC OF WAR. You can no less wage a war on "flanking maneuvers" than you can on 'terrorism.' That aside, what we consider terrorists in the traditional sense, are those extremist groups, who deliberately target innocent civilians in foreign countries, for the purpose of instilling 'terror' and 'fear' into the civilian population.

The Taliban, are a political/military organization that are fighting for the control of the country of Afghanistan. They don't hate Americans because we are "free and prosperous," or any of that other bullshit. They hate us because we invaded their country, because we drop bombs on their homes, and we kill their women and children in the crossfire. We had every right to invade Afghanistan and to topple their regime, as they were giving safe haven to an enemy of the United States of America. However, after we failed to kill/capture Osama Bin Laden, we should have left that country, staying there for TEN YEARS was the mistake.

The people currently shooting at ISAF/Coalition forces are not terrorists, they are ENEMY COMBATANTS. They are not engaging in terrorism, they are using well recognized and documented GUERILLA WARFARE tactics. These tactics are used and employed when a smaller, ill equipped force faces a superior force both in numbers and in technologically advanced weaponry. We know exactly why the AAF (Anti-Afghan Forces) are attacking ISAF/Coalition forces, it is because they do not want a US controlled puppet government running their country, and why should they?

Most of us here in America lack one critical skill, we lack the ability to try and view things from the perspective of our enemies. Then, when someone with enough critical thinking skills to do so does, we call them unpatriotic, tell them to leave the country, etc, and so forth. Ask yourselves what you would do, if a foreign country like Russia or China invaded the US, because the government here was harboring terrorists who committed acts against one of those countries. Now, you may not even agree with your government doing that, but now China or Russia is dropping bombs on your homes, setting up bases in your neighborhoods, or in you counties, and friends, cousins, uncles, aunts, moms, fathers, grandfathers, etc, were getting killed by bombs, bullets, and mortars fired from those bases. It seems to me pretty obvious, that whether or not you had any feelings towards the INITIAL reason that these countries invaded, that you would probably take up arms against the occupying force and fight them, because you want them out of your country, REGARDLESS of their reasons for coming, however justified they might have been.

So please, moving forward, do some research on the conflicts you're going to comment on. The Taliban forces are not terrorists, they're enemy combatants. It may sound like a game of semantics, but definitionally these things are very important, because under the Geneva convention, enemy combatants have rights, and must be treated in a certain way. What you guys ought to be more upset about, are the politicians who sit comfortably in their chairs in Washington, in their vacation homes in the Hamptons, in their stately Annapolis homes, at their thousand dollar a plate fundraiser dinners, in their limosouines, and beat the drum for war, while they send the children of the middle class and lower class's off to die in wars that do not serve the national security interests of the United States. Many of you people blindly support these wars of aggression, where we invade and tell SOVEREIGN nations how to run their affairs. Wars that do nothing to further the national security interests of the United States, but in fact do more to codify and widen the breadth of support for terrorist organizations who want to kill Americans. All anyone has to do is pick up the Constitution, where it clearly outlines the times we are authorized to goto war. Politicians sit up on the hill, and make straw man arguments about invading a dictatorship like Iraq, so that we "fight them over there, so we dont have to fight them over here." They present Americans with LIES and false intelligence, and yet you people blindly support these liars, sending your kids to die in far away lands, while these politicians beat the war drums and send the lower socioeconomic classes off to die so that they can tell other countries and other peoples how to run their lives.

If anyone here is naive enough to think that we invade countries because they are controlled by dictators, or because they treat women horribly, or some other such nonsense, then I have beachfront property to sell you in South Dakota. There are 190 contries in the world today, and roughly 50% are still currently living under some form of a totalitarian dictatorship. Perhaps you guys think we ought to go a few trillion dollars more into debt and 'liberate' those people as well?

[jimmyinkedup]

The sentiment expressed in this thread, is the reason we're in the places we are at overseas.

Members of the Taliban ARE NOT TERRORISTS!

Jesus christ. The pervasive ignorance that permeates this discussion is disgusting. First off, 'terrorism' is a TACTIC OF WAR. You can no less wage a war on "flanking maneuvers" than you can on 'terrorism.' That aside, what we consider terrorists in the traditional sense, are those extremist groups, who deliberately target innocent civilians in foreign countries, for the purpose of instilling 'terror' and 'fear' into the civilian population.

The Taliban, are a political/military organization that are fighting for the control of the country of Afghanistan. They don't hate Americans because we are "free and prosperous," or any of that other bullshit. They hate us because we invaded their country, because we drop bombs on their homes, and we kill their women and children in the crossfire. We had every right to invade Afghanistan and to topple their regime, as they were giving safe haven to an enemy of the United States of America. However, after we failed to kill/capture Osama Bin Laden, we should have left that country, staying there for TEN YEARS was the mistake.

The people currently shooting at ISAF/Coalition forces are not terrorists, they are ENEMY COMBATANTS. They are not engaging in terrorism, they are using well recognized and documented GUERILLA WARFARE tactics. These tactics are used and employed when a smaller, ill equipped force faces a superior force both in numbers and in technologically advanced weaponry. We know exactly why the AAF (Anti-Afghan Forces) are attacking ISAF/Coalition forces, it is because they do not want a US controlled puppet government running their country, and why should they?

Most of us here in America lack one critical skill, we lack the ability to try and view things from the perspective of our enemies. Then, when someone with enough critical thinking skills to do so does, we call them unpatriotic, tell them to leave the country, etc, and so forth. Ask yourselves what you would do, if a foreign country like Russia or China invaded the US, because the government here was harboring terrorists who committed acts against one of those countries. Now, you may not even agree with your government doing that, but now China or Russia is dropping bombs on your homes, setting up bases in your neighborhoods, or in you counties, and friends, cousins, uncles, aunts, moms, fathers, grandfathers, etc, were getting killed by bombs, bullets, and mortars fired from those bases. It seems to me pretty obvious, that whether or not you had any feelings towards the INITIAL reason that these countries invaded, that you would probably take up arms against the occupying force and fight them, because you want them out of your country, REGARDLESS of their reasons for coming, however justified they might have been.

So please, moving forward, do some research on the conflicts you're going to comment on. The Taliban forces are not terrorists, they're enemy combatants. It may sound like a game of semantics, but definitionally these things are very important, because under the Geneva convention, enemy combatants have rights, and must be treated in a certain way. What you guys ought to be more upset about, are the politicians who sit comfortably in their chairs in Washington, in their vacation homes in the Hamptons, in their stately Annapolis homes, at their thousand dollar a plate fundraiser dinners, in their limosouines, and beat the drum for war, while they send the children of the middle class and lower class's off to die in wars that do not serve the national security interests of the United States. Many of you people blindly support these wars of aggression, where we invade and tell SOVEREIGN nations how to run their affairs. Wars that do nothing to further the national security interests of the United States, but in fact do more to codify and widen the breadth of support for terrorist organizations who want to kill Americans. All anyone has to do is pick up the Constitution, where it clearly outlines the times we are authorized to goto war. Politicians sit up on the hill, and make straw man arguments about invading a dictatorship like Iraq, so that we "fight them over there, so we dont have to fight them over here." They present Americans with LIES and false intelligence, and yet you people blindly support these liars, sending your kids to die in far away lands, while these politicians beat the war drums and send the lower socioeconomic classes off to die so that they can tell other countries and other peoples how to run their lives.

If anyone here is naive enough to think that we invade countries because they are controlled by dictators, or because they treat women horribly, or some other such nonsense, then I have beachfront property to sell you in South Dakota. There are 190 contries in the world today, and roughly 50% are still currently living under some form of a totalitarian dictatorship. Perhaps you guys think we ought to go a few trillion dollars more into debt and 'liberate' those people as well?

You group together posts in a broad generalization and make assumptions as to individual peoples opinions on several issues based on semantics and the views others have expressed.
Do I think the Taliban are terrirists? Well was 911 a product of military action conducted by enemy combatants? Lets be for real. By your very definion of terrorists they in fact clearly are. Is this some different taliban or do you subscribe to some tin foil hat theory that 9/11 was staged by our government?
These enemy combatants have no regard for the "rules of war" (whatever the hell they are??)

Should we be there ? - No not imo. f them and the entire middle east as well as the vast majority of other parts of the world where we are as well imo...

Is our gov corrupt and propaghanda driven - hell yes.

Do I give a fvck that the guy with no real choice who has seen friends killed and mutilated by these "enemy combatants" pisses on their dead - not one god damn bit!

Do i appreciate the fact these soldiers would die for our country and freedom - regardless of whether or not their presence in the middle east is "right" or not? Damn right i do and id shake their hands and thank them for it any day of the week.

I pretty clearly stated that the supposed role of the worlds moral watchdog is bvllshit. Of course this morality card is a mirage for alterior motives. I say screw it and dont hide behind anything - do what we need to do for our country - inside and out - poitically (clean house) or militarily.

[thegodfather]

You group together posts in a broad generalization and make assumptions as to individual peoples opinions on several issues based on semantics and the views others have expressed.
Do I think the Taliban are terrirists? Well was 911 a product of military action conducted by enemy combatants? Lets be for real. By your very definion of terrorists they in fact clearly are. Is this some different taliban or do you subscribe to some tin foil hat theory that 9/11 was staged by our government?
These enemy combatants have no regard for the "rules of war" (whatever the hell they are??)

Should we be there ? - No not imo. f them and the entire middle east as well as the vast majority of other parts of the world where we are as well imo...

Is our gov corrupt and propaghanda driven - hell yes.

Do I give a fvck that the guy with no real choice who has seen friends killed and mutilated by these "enemy combatants" pisses on their dead - not one god damn bit!

Do i appreciate the fact these soldiers would die for our country and freedom - regardless of whether or not their presence in the middle east is "right" or not? Damn right i do and id shake their hands and thank them for it any day of the week.

I pretty clearly stated that the supposed role of the worlds moral watchdog is bvllshit. Of course this morality card is a mirage for alterior motives. I say screw it and dont hide behind anything - do what we need to do for our country - inside and out - poitically (clean house) or militarily.

I didn't quote any member specifically, because I wasn't calling out anyones posts in particular, I was simply addressing some of the sentiment expressed.

I'm not really sure where you took away from my post that I even remotely give any credibility to any of the 9/11 conspiracy theories? 9/11 was not carried out by members of the Taliban, it was executed by members of Al-Qaeda led by Osama Bin Laden. The Taliban's complicitness in those acts really ended at providing Al-Qaeda with a sanctuary state to train and conduct their affairs. We toppled the Taliban regime for refusing to hand over Osama Bin Laden at the request of our government, and I believe we were completley justified in invading the country to deny Al-Qaeda a sanctuary, and to kill/capture Osama Bin Laden. However, simply because the Taliban provided a sanctuary for Al-Qaeda, does not make the Taliban and every member of the organization a terrorist organization. Almost every single one of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabians, one of our biggest allies, but that doesn't mean the country of Saudi Arabia gave material support to Al-Qaeda, although there is a lot of evidence that Saudi Arabia allows the funds of terrorists to be siphoned around its various banks.

My point really is that we should not be engaged in nation building, and in many of the other activities that the neo-cons have involved us in, and which the current administration has continued to do. I'd also like to say, that I dont think 4 Marines pissing on some dead enemy combatants should make national news. We have soldiers doing 15 month deployments, multiple tours, and some of these politicians want to crucify these men for doing things that while some people may fund untenable, but their job is to do things, horrible things, that we've trained them to do, and that most of the people critiscizing them dont have the courage to do. So I think that until those people wishing to crucify those Marines join up and go do a tour, they ought to STFU. That doesn't change my view points on the actual war itself, but I will aways support our soldiers, despite the fact that our politicians like to use the men and women of the lower socioeconomic classes in our country to do their bidding. I think you'd find that we agree on more points than we disagree on.

[Flagg]

The sentiment expressed in this thread, is the reason we're in the places we are at overseas.

Members of the Taliban ARE NOT TERRORISTS!

Jesus christ. The pervasive ignorance that permeates this discussion is disgusting. First off, 'terrorism' is a TACTIC OF WAR. You can no less wage a war on "flanking maneuvers" than you can on 'terrorism.' That aside, what we consider terrorists in the traditional sense, are those extremist groups, who deliberately target innocent civilians in foreign countries, for the purpose of instilling 'terror' and 'fear' into the civilian population.

The Taliban, are a political/military organization that are fighting for the control of the country of Afghanistan. They don't hate Americans because we are "free and prosperous," or any of that other bullshit. They hate us because we invaded their country, because we drop bombs on their homes, and we kill their women and children in the crossfire. We had every right to invade Afghanistan and to topple their regime, as they were giving safe haven to an enemy of the United States of America. However, after we failed to kill/capture Osama Bin Laden, we should have left that country, staying there for TEN YEARS was the mistake.

The people currently shooting at ISAF/Coalition forces are not terrorists, they are ENEMY COMBATANTS. They are not engaging in terrorism, they are using well recognized and documented GUERILLA WARFARE tactics. These tactics are used and employed when a smaller, ill equipped force faces a superior force both in numbers and in technologically advanced weaponry. We know exactly why the AAF (Anti-Afghan Forces) are attacking ISAF/Coalition forces, it is because they do not want a US controlled puppet government running their country, and why should they?

Most of us here in America lack one critical skill, we lack the ability to try and view things from the perspective of our enemies. Then, when someone with enough critical thinking skills to do so does, we call them unpatriotic, tell them to leave the country, etc, and so forth. Ask yourselves what you would do, if a foreign country like Russia or China invaded the US, because the government here was harboring terrorists who committed acts against one of those countries. Now, you may not even agree with your government doing that, but now China or Russia is dropping bombs on your homes, setting up bases in your neighborhoods, or in you counties, and friends, cousins, uncles, aunts, moms, fathers, grandfathers, etc, were getting killed by bombs, bullets, and mortars fired from those bases. It seems to me pretty obvious, that whether or not you had any feelings towards the INITIAL reason that these countries invaded, that you would probably take up arms against the occupying force and fight them, because you want them out of your country, REGARDLESS of their reasons for coming, however justified they might have been.

So please, moving forward, do some research on the conflicts you're going to comment on. The Taliban forces are not terrorists, they're enemy combatants. It may sound like a game of semantics, but definitionally these things are very important, because under the Geneva convention, enemy combatants have rights, and must be treated in a certain way. What you guys ought to be more upset about, are the politicians who sit comfortably in their chairs in Washington, in their vacation homes in the Hamptons, in their stately Annapolis homes, at their thousand dollar a plate fundraiser dinners, in their limosouines, and beat the drum for war, while they send the children of the middle class and lower class's off to die in wars that do not serve the national security interests of the United States. Many of you people blindly support these wars of aggression, where we invade and tell SOVEREIGN nations how to run their affairs. Wars that do nothing to further the national security interests of the United States, but in fact do more to codify and widen the breadth of support for terrorist organizations who want to kill Americans. All anyone has to do is pick up the Constitution, where it clearly outlines the times we are authorized to goto war. Politicians sit up on the hill, and make straw man arguments about invading a dictatorship like Iraq, so that we "fight them over there, so we dont have to fight them over here." They present Americans with LIES and false intelligence, and yet you people blindly support these liars, sending your kids to die in far away lands, while these politicians beat the war drums and send the lower socioeconomic classes off to die so that they can tell other countries and other peoples how to run their lives.

If anyone here is naive enough to think that we invade countries because they are controlled by dictators, or because they treat women horribly, or some other such nonsense, then I have beachfront property to sell you in South Dakota. There are 190 contries in the world today, and roughly 50% are still currently living under some form of a totalitarian dictatorship. Perhaps you guys think we ought to go a few trillion dollars more into debt and 'liberate' those people as well?

If only there were more people like you. The Western Media tells us that the people that live in the countries we go to war, are little more than uncivilised savages with AK 47's. We are encouraged to hate them, not look at things from their point of view.

I would like to ask the people in this thread, why can we condemn the enemy for "barbaric acts" yet we do something barbaric, it's okay because they are barbaric, so eye for an eye, etc. The hypocrisy with that way of thinking astounds me.

Afghanistan has the second worst economy in the world. What the fvck, do people still think they are capable of legit hurting a Western nation, even in the financial bind everyone is in, do they genuinely believe that from a cave, they can rain down armageddon on us?

It's okay everyone, you'll be told to hate the Chinese in 20 years time so just enjoy your diet of News propaganda, X Factor and ignore the very real problems at hand.