Second cycle - looking to cut; Please critique

[Jman123]

6'3.5"
around 15% bf
263 lbs
27 yrs old

So I ran my first cycle this last fall which consisted of 12 weeks with a dbol kickstart (50 mg/day) and test e (initially 500mg/wk but bumped it to 750/wk for last six weeks or so). I tolerated the higher dose fine other than a little bacne and some high blood pressure (mainly due to weight gain). I gained over 45 lbs, obviously some fat which I am looking to lose now. I have been just maintaining my weight since my last cycle as I don't want to diet until I'm on cycle again (don't want to lose any precious muscle). I've done some research, and it seems tren is not a good idea for a second cycle so this is what I plan on running:

12 week cycle
test e at 750mg/wk (2 shots weekly), weeks 1-12
masteron e at 600mg/wk, (2 shots weekly), weeks 1-12
anavar or winstrol at 50mg/day, weeks 9-12
arimidex at .5mg/eod, weeks 1-14
hcg at 500iu x 2/wk (1000iu/wk), weeks 1-13
nolva at 40, 40, 20, 20, weeks 15-18
clomid at 100, 100, 50, 50 weeks 15-18

I've read where it is a good idea to have low body fat going into a cycle like this, but I really don't want to diet off cycle as I do not want to lose my hard earned mass from the prior cycle. I understand that masteron is a bit useless at high body fat, but I figured my body fat will be quite low after the first month or so so it shouldn't be a problem. As far as the hcg, I know many throw it in after a couple weeks, but I really want to do everything possible to keep my testicles nice and full throughout the cycle. Would anyone suggest I throw in some test prop for the first couple weeks to kick start my cycle? What dose should I run if I do add it in? I think I've covered everything. I know some of the doses seem high, but my body responded well to higher doses on the first cycle and heavier doses are needed at my weight as well. One last thing is that I had libido issues on my first cycle so would cabergoline or viagra be a good idea to have on hand? Any thoughts/comments are appreciated.

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Diet will determine how well this cycle goes for you. If you put on 45lbs from your first cycle it is the result of two things. One u didn't have a sufficient base to cycle from the start and two your diet wasn't very good....no offense.
I think the cycle is a little overkill. Your right about the master on you don't really need it right now. I would take that money and buy more anavar and run it for the second half of your cycle say weeks 6-14. I think test at 500 would due but that's up to yourself. Some of the vets will weight in on jumping up to 750mg for your first and second cycle with a bit more knowledge and or experience. The prop to kickstart is completely up to u.
But remember that diet should be number 1 and everything else doesn't matter unless your diet is dialed in.

[marcus300]

If your next cycle is just a cutter then just go with test only at 500mgs per wk. There is no need to introduce those other compounds if your cutting and you should of kept your first cycle dose at 500mgs. No need to run before you can walk.

Keep it simple, diet and cardio will determine results

[tomt45]

You won't notice much of anything from the masteron at 15% bf. Really the only time you will really notice the hardening effects from mast is if you are already have a really low bf% 750mg per week for test is kind of high for a cutting cycle. I would stick with 500mg per week like marcus said. I think the anavar would be a ok addition but run it for longer than 3 weeks. You could hold off on the hcg until you are a few weeks into your cycle. Adex at .5mg eod should be good. Pct looks good.

Even during a cutting cycle diet is going to be way more influential then adding more and different steroids. I suggest you post your diet in the diet section. These guys will help you out.

Are you sure about your bf%? Cause that would mean that even at like 5% bf you would still weigh 235 or so. That is really big...

[Bossman]

I agree with Marcus. The test will be plenty to keep your gains from diminishing. If you were trying for extremely low BF as in competition, yeah, more compounds the better. But some of those that competitors use are also to harden the muscle and add vascularity. You won't even notice unless you were in the single digit BF.

IMO, don't waste your money on var. You could run test prop for the first 3 weeks at 75 mg ED or 150mg EOD to jump start. That would be the equivalent of 525mg per week of test.

[Jman123]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm around 15% bf and definitely not over 16-17%. Keep in mind, I'm basically 6'4" so that accounts for a lot of it. I get it that the masteron doesn't do much until u get bf low, but I plan on getting my bf down pretty quickly so I think it may be useful. Either way, I want to run another compound besides just test only. What about tren, is it completely out of the question? As far as diet and cardio, I've got that down. I did a cut last year naturally and planned my diet to lose about 2-3 lbs/wk in which I lost little to no muscle. I usually start with a base diet, then add or take away depending on my goals.

[tomt45]

Your a big guy then. You should cut down and compete. Most guys including myself will say that your shouldn't run tren on your second cycle. I love tren myself. I get awesome results from running test prop and tren a. If you are going to go with tren make sure you do some research first. It can have some really nasty side effects. If you choose to go with tren make sure you run tren a and not tren e. Have you already bought the stuff you listed? I suggest running prop instead of test e for a cutting cycle.

You could just go with test prop at 150mg eod for 10 weeks and run winstrol at 50mg ed for the last 5 weeks. That would probably be a better route than going with tren on your second cycle. If you are going to go with tren run 75-100mg eod for the first 8 weeks.

You had libido problems on test only? Weird. My libido is out of control on the stuff. You might have some serious libido problems if you run tren. Two things to prevent this first like you said get some caber second take a low dose of t3 like 25mcg per day. This will help reduce prolactin side effects from the tren as well as help you cut. I always run 25mcg of t3 when I am on tren

[Jman123]

No, I haven't bought anything yet so no problem there. I really didn't want to do eod injections if I don't have to. I understand it's best to run tren a the first time since it can be dropped quickly if side effects are too harsh, but would it really be that bad to run test e and tren e? Twice weekly injections would be so much better, I hate being sore all the time from the PIP. I will plan to have cabergoline, viagra, t3, and arimidex on hand in case libido crashes again. I will probably run arimidex throughout anyway. Should caber be run throughout or just added in as needed? Any other suggestions?

[Bossman]

No, I haven't bought anything yet so no problem there. I really didn't want to do eod injections if I don't have to. I understand it's best to run tren a the first time since it can be dropped quickly if side effects are too harsh, but would it really be that bad to run test e and tren e? Twice weekly injections would be so much better, I hate being sore all the time from the PIP. I will plan to have cabergoline, viagra, t3, and arimidex on hand in case libido crashes again. I will probably run arimidex throughout anyway. Should caber be run throughout or just added in as needed? Any other suggestions?

I wouldn't advise tren on your second cycle, and even more so Tren E. Tren bothers a lot of people including me. I've bailed out on 5 attempts of running tren on cycle. Each time it was tren A and the sides were gone within a week. With Tren E you get to suffer a few weeks if you have sides.

Once again, your goal on cutting is to keep muscle. The test alone will do that. I doubt you'll get below 8% bf and that is where you would have to be in order to see the hardening effects of mast. And those effects are temporary. Once you're done with the cycle, you'll lose the hardness brought on by masteron.

If you've gained 45 lbs on that cycle, your BFis probably great then 15%. Post up some pics and you will get pretty good estimates from some of the experienced members.

[Jman123]

Honestly, I would personally like to run what I had initially posted. I want to run something with the test and from my research, it seemed like masteron was a great drug to run with it. Could I cut with test for a month or so then add in the masteron and later the winny or anavar or is it best to run the masteron longer for 12 weeks or more? Anyway, I have posted a couple of pics. I'm sure you guys will say I'm fat or whatever, but this is after a heavy bulk. I haven't even begun to drop weight yet in fear of losing muscle. From measurements I've done, I think I'm around 15%, but I'm sure someone will say it's higher.

[FireGuy]

Honestly, I would personally like to run what I had initially posted. I want to run something with the test and from my research, it seemed like masteron was a great drug to run with it. Could I cut with test for a month or so then add in the masteron and later the winny or anavar or is it best to run the masteron longer for 12 weeks or more? Anyway, I have posted a couple of pics. I'm sure you guys will say I'm fat or whatever, but this is after a heavy bulk. I haven't even begun to drop weight yet in fear of losing muscle. From measurements I've done, I think I'm around 15%, but I'm sure someone will say it's higher.

This fear seems to be prevalent amongst many of our members. I can assure you at your level of bodyfat you can absolutely get much leaner without sacrificing an ounce of muscle. Most people with intelligent dieting and cardio can get into single digit bodyfat without any loss of LBM.

[gixxerboy1]

This fear seems to be prevalent amongst many of our members. I can assure you at your level of bodyfat you can absolutely get much leaner without sacrificing an ounce of muscle. Most people with intelligent dieting and cardio can get into single digit bodyfat without any loss of LBM.

i agree you could easily drop 5% bf and not loss any muscle.

I also agree with everyone else. You are running way to much stuff. There is no need for it.

[Matt]

This fear seems to be prevalent amongst many of our members. I can assure you at your level of bodyfat you can absolutely get much leaner without sacrificing an ounce of muscle. Most people with intelligent dieting and cardio can get into single digit bodyfat without any loss of LBM.

Agreed and i'd bet money he'd look bigger....

[tomt45]

I agree. If you cut down to 10% bf you will look way bigger. You are a big guy already. I really think the masteron would be a waste for you at this point. Yes it is true that masteron can be a great addition to a cutting cycle. But you would really only notice the effects if you were already under 10% bf

[Jman123]

Ok, well I think I've mostly come to a decision. Based on time on time off I'm not supposed to cycle again until April anyway, but I may start a little before then as I already feel completely recovered. Anyway, I think for now I will try to trickle my weight down a bit, maybe get it down near 250 or so. I agree with y'all in that the doses may be a bit high so I will probably run the test around 500-600mg/wk and the mast e around 400-500mg/wk. I would still like to throw in some anavar or winny for the last 4-6 weeks as well. I have a friend who is going on tren a for his first time, and I may try it depending on his experience. But I'm definitely leaning toward the mast e since I feel like the tren a could be detrimental to my health and could bring about terrible sides. Is it recommended to mix the oils in one syringe to minimize injections? Seems like it would be difficult to do. I will definitely have arimidex, hcg, nolva, and clomid on hand, but are the caber and t3 really recommended/necessary? Lastly, does it look like I'm around 15% bf in the pics?

[mrrell]

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