2nd Cycle - Testosterone Enanthate Only

[Adonisbrah]

Im sorry but saying that you had completely plateaued at that build was all on diet and training. Its the excuse most make to justify why they started too soon.

You added two reps to your bench in 5 weeks and attribute that to keeping gains from AAS. Thats not unheard of doing naturally. When i was younger long before touching AAS, yet still with years of training, i would test out at 225 for football. I added 3 reps to my bench in two months.

Almost all of that 11 pounds you have put on will disappear after your cycle. Most is water due to a long estered test.

I had a friend who could bench 225 for 10 when he was 15. His diet and training MUST have been perfect.
Gaining 2 reps to your bench while losing 13lbs in a few weeks can be done naturally after 4 years of training? Please sir teach me. Yes I could gain 2 reps to my bench in a couple months naturally... do I want to do that while gaining 15lbs of fat? No thanks.

Tbol gave me abs for the first time in my life while making me stronger. To this day I still have those abs from 5 months ago. After the cycle I then attempted to cut even more. After losing 10lbs I noticed a HUGE drop in lean mass and my fat loss haulted.

EVERY morning for breakfast I have 1 cup oats, 1 cup egg white, .5 cup no sugar yogurt, .5cup mixed berries and a whey isolate protein shake. During the day my diet consists of plain almonds, a banana, chicken breast or lean pork or tuna and mixed vegetables including brocolli, onions, peppers, asparagus and mushrooms. I also have a casein shake before bed. I am sorry, but my age my diet can't get more strict than this while going to school, working, working out 1.5 hours a day 5 days a week and maintaining a social life.

There are so many goddamn assumptions being made in this thread that I am inclined to stop posting. I can intelligently argue with every point you guys try to make (with no proof mind you), but you guys seem to just end up ignoring my other posts and making even more assumptions.

[Noles12]

I had a friend who could bench 225 for 10 when he was 15. His diet and training MUST have been perfect.
Gaining 2 reps to your bench while losing 13lbs in a few weeks can be done naturally after 4 years of training? Please sir teach me. Yes I could gain 2 reps to my bench in a couple months naturally... do I want to do that while gaining 15lbs of fat? No thanks.

Tbol gave me abs for the first time in my life while making me stronger. To this day I still have those abs from 5 months ago. After the cycle I then attempted to cut even more. After losing 10lbs I noticed a HUGE drop in lean mass and my fat loss haulted.

EVERY morning for breakfast I have 1 cup oats, 1 cup egg white, .5 cup no sugar yogurt, .5cup mixed berries and a whey isolate protein shake. During the day my diet consists of plain almonds, a banana, chicken breast or lean pork or tuna and mixed vegetables including brocolli, onions, peppers, asparagus and mushrooms. I also have a casein shake before bed. I am sorry, but my age my diet can't get more strict than this while going to school, working, working out 1.5 hours a day 5 days a week and maintaining a social life.

There are so many goddamn assumptions being made in this thread that I am inclined to stop posting. I can intelligently argue with every point you guys try to make (with no proof mind you), but you guys seem to just end up ignoring my other posts and making even more assumptions.

Not sure what correlation you are trying to make here? Your friend benching that much at 15 doesnt have to rely completely on training and diet. He may be naturally stronger with good genetics.

It has nothing to do with adding two reps to your bench naturally.

Yes gaining two reps on your bench after 4 years of training while losing weight is possible. You know why i say this? Two weeks ago i was 251 pounds. I went 365 for 6. Yesterday i was 244. I got 365 for 7. I have not run anything since the early summer. I am cutting naturally by adjusting my diet and training. The only supplement i am using right now is protein.

I do not work out longer than 45 minutes and only 4 days a week. An hour and a half is too long. More than likely you are overtraining in that time period. Cardio is very beneficial when trying to keep off excess fat while adding mass.

At your size you did not max out your natural potential plain and simple. I would never think you had ever ran anything before judging by your pictures

[Adonisbrah]

Not sure what correlation you are trying to make here? Your friend benching that much at 15 doesnt have to rely completely on training and diet. He may be naturally stronger with good genetics.

It has nothing to do with adding two reps to your bench naturally.

Yes gaining two reps on your bench after 4 years of training while losing weight is possible. You know why i say this? Two weeks ago i was 251 pounds. I went 365 for 6. Yesterday i was 244. I got 365 for 7. I have not run anything since the early summer. I am cutting naturally by adjusting my diet and training. The only supplement i am using right now is protein.

I do not work out longer than 45 minutes and only 4 days a week. An hour and a half is too long. More than likely you are overtraining in that time period. Cardio is very beneficial when trying to keep off excess fat while adding mass.

At your size you did not max out your natural potential plain and simple. I would never think you had ever ran anything before judging by your pictures

The point I made where my friend could bench that that young is that you don't seem to realize I have very poor genetics mainly in respect to my chest. The first time I ever benched I was doing 65lb for 12 reps until failure. My back is decently strong, but my chest lags. I have put BY FAR much more effort into my chest to try to get it to catch up. I have done long routines, short routines, strength training, hypertrophy with no avail. I don't know if it has to do with my shoulder injuries or what, but genetically my chest just will not develop. You do not know me and have not seen my diet or training so please stop making so many assumptions.

I don't know anyone that can lose 7lbs in 2 weeks and gain a rep to their bench naturally. There are clearly other factors involved. You also just stated that you are making gains while off cycle. Why does this mean I will not make gains off cycle then? You must be a super human.

My chest days are around 45 minutes. I usually do 20 minutes of cardio afterwards and maybe some abs. The longest I take is usually 1.5 hours. Everyone is different too some can over train in 45 minutes while others could do twice as much volume and not be over trained.

The final point is that I don't want to spend 10 years to get the gains I can make in a few months. I am halfway through my cycle and have no intentions to stop.

[Noles12]

The point I made where my friend could bench that that young is that you don't seem to realize I have very poor genetics mainly in respect to my chest. The first time I ever benched I was doing 65lb for 12 reps until failure. My back is decently strong, but my chest lags. I have put BY FAR much more effort into my chest to try to get it to catch up. I have done long routines, short routines, strength training, hypertrophy with no avail. I don't know if it has to do with my shoulder injuries or what, but genetically my chest just will not develop. You do not know me and have not seen my diet or training so please stop making so many assumptions.

I don't know anyone that can lose 7lbs in 2 weeks and gain a rep to their bench naturally. There are clearly other factors involved. You also just stated that you are making gains while off cycle. Why does this mean I will not make gains off cycle then? You must be a super human.

My chest days are around 45 minutes. I usually do 20 minutes of cardio afterwards and maybe some abs. The longest I take is usually 1.5 hours. Everyone is different too some can over train in 45 minutes while others could do twice as much volume and not be over trained.

The final point is that I don't want to spend 10 years to get the gains I can make in a few months. I am halfway through my cycle and have no intentions to stop.

I didnt say you couldnt make gains off cycle. If you could only get to the point you were at with your diet and training, then more than likely that diet and training will not be sufficient enough to keep your gains.

People always talk about how they ran a cycle, put on 20 lbs and got really strong. Then a few months later they are back to their starting weight and have lost their strength. AAS is an aide but what you need to build and maintain is diet and training

[Adonisbrah]

I told you I was able to keep my gains from tbol just fine though. And that was an oral only cycle. I will keep you updated after this cycle is over to show how much gains I keep.

I am also upping my dose to "700mg"/week which is most likely actually around 500mg. I have barely noticed the effects test normally causes around this point that I have read in all the other logs. I am not very horny, vascular or really anything out of the ordinary. Just noticed slight increases in weights at the gym. I spoke with some buddies that did the same gear and they told me that 700 was when they started seeing real differences.

[randymeans]

I told you I was able to keep my gains from tbol just fine though. And that was an oral only cycle. I will keep you updated after this cycle is over to show how much gains I keep.

I am also upping my dose to "700mg"/week which is most likely actually around 500mg. I have barely noticed the effects test normally causes around this point that I have read in all the other logs. I am not very horny, vascular or really anything out of the ordinary. Just noticed slight increases in weights at the gym. I spoke with some buddies that did the same gear and they told me that 700 was when they started seeing real differences.

Dude, your only at week 5, don't up the test,it takes till week 7-8 to see slight day 2 day differences! Id also try lifting heavier! 5x5 to get strength up and put on better size, just my 2cc

[Adonisbrah]

Dude, your only at week 5, don't up the test,it takes till week 7-8 to see slight day 2 day differences! Id also try lifting heavier! 5x5 to get strength up and put on better size, just my 2cc

Wow 7-8 weeks never heard it taking that long before. And with the new PHAT routine I am doing a mix of strength and hypertrophy training. I am still sticking to 700mg/week because the UGL I am using has a history of being under dosed. If I had to use 80mg of tbol to start seeing gains I'm sure the 10mg tabs were only 6-7mg each. They can get away with this because in Canada there isn't really a choice other than domestic gear.

[Adonisbrah]

New pics. Weight up to 202lbs. The main difference between these pics and the pics in the OP is that for these I did not have a pump while in the OP I had just finished a workout.

[dooie]

New pics. Weight up to 202lbs. The main difference between these pics and the pics in the OP is that for these I did not have a pump while in the OP I had just finished a workout.

Wait!! You had a pump in your OP? LOL! Good luck holding your gains after you finish!
And like Noles said! There is no way your 200lbs unless your taller than u first stated!

[Adonisbrah]

lol I don't understand how this is so hard to believe that I am over 200lbs. Why would I lie? I didn't lie about my shitty lifts so why would I lie about my weight? Just goes to show you can't really judge from pics eh?!

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I didn't lie about my shitty lifts so why would I lie about my weight?

That's actually a good point. (totally srs)