First real cycle a few questions

[TraPump]

does anyone have a reason why I should wait until I'm older? The way I see it is I'm in my prime now so it's a better time then waiting later in life. And how is it a big difference between phs and gear? I always thought phs were harder on your body because your liver has to do the conversions.

Dude you're too young. Your going to end up ruining your under developed endocrine and you'll never recover. Then you know what's gonna happen? You're going be doing trt and takin those same injections you're trying to stay away from now for the rest of your life. If I I were you I woul take a step back. Stay away from PHs and gear until your 25 and your endocrine is full developed. That will give you plenty of time to research gear and come up with a realistic first cycle not that joke you just posted. Take it with a grain of salt man I mean no harm you just don't need to be messing w your hormones a 21.

[MINO]

Dude you're too young. Your going to end up ruining your under developed endocrine and you'll never recover. Then you know what's gonna happen? You're going be doing trt and takin those same injections you're trying to stay away from now for the rest of your life. If I I were you I woul take a step back. Stay away from PHs and gear until your 25 and your endocrine is full developed. That will give you plenty of time to research gear and come up with a realistic first cycle not that joke you just posted. Take it with a grain of salt man I mean no harm you just don't need to be messing w your hormones a 21.

Well if I don't take any gear what do you recommend me to do to get my bench up? I already eat until I feel like puking and I have already tried changing up my workouts. I make sure every workout I do doesnt go over 1 hr and I lift as heavy as possible putting EVERYTHING out there. I'm not one of those guys that just lay around the gym and talk the whole time.

When i took a ph I honestly didnt think it was all that bad. I felt the same only stronger. Like literly felt like I wasnt taking anything only when I went into the gym I could lift alot more weight. Most of the time anyways. The only prominent side effect I noticed was back pumps. And I only got that like one MAYBE two days on the 4th or 5th week.

Creatine helps me but its MINIMAL. Like it will help me push out maybe an extra couple of reps then what I could do before. Like if I get 345 once... ill take some creatine and by the end ill be doing 345 twice. A change but for the price its just a waste of money and time.

I think preworkouts are all in your head. Again they make you FEEL great but bluntly put I usually already hype myself up and FEEL great when I go to the gym. And if I don't feel great usually Ill put some good music on to squeeze some motivation out of me to put it all out there.

I guess whats kind of motivating me is a guy I workout with is my age and doing phs, we both use to be the same on strength and we are a similar build. Now he has far surpassed me in strength from doing phs. And he swears up and down by them.

But anyways like bigguy90 was saying I think it really has to do with how much test your body is making in order for you to need to take test injections with dbol. What I was thinking is if I took a powerful natural test booster at a low dose before I start taking dbol and elevate my test levels then run dbol for 4 weeks and right after run a higher dose of the same test booster with nolva, clomid and forma I should be good? What would be the worst that can happen? 4 weeks isnt that long on gear.

I would be surprised if my body hasnt fully developed as im already starting to get alot of grey hair.

[TFf]

Bro why are you do concerned with your bench!? Try to squat deadlift or power clean ! There is no need to take aas to get a bigger bench and eating till you want to puke isn't going to make your bench bigger. Eat and lift smarter. Stop trying to convince people of your point to make your self comfortable with using prematurely. And seriously come up with a better reason than wanting to bench more!