Need help on my HCG Monotherapy

[curryman]

I'm thinking of switching back to HCG Mono from Test/hcg/ai because of various reasons(cost, more natural, mood, easier to maintain). I was a very good responder to HCG when I first did it. My doc will have me doing HCG at 500 IU 2x a week for a total of 1000 IU/week. My question is on the arimidex dosage. What is a good starting point for this? The last time I did HCG Mono, I was doing 1mg twice a week, and I felt like my E2 was going pretty low. I have heard some guys on Mono do 0.5mg twice a week. Any advice on where to start?

[Vettester]

There is no recommended AI starting point for your HCG protocol. IMO, 1mg x 2/wk was too much, and you pretty much confirmed this by indicating that your E2 was "going pretty low." Although, you were probably correct that your E2 was on the decline, what you need (and this forum needs) is to know what your score was on your E2 sensitive lab (baseline and after your protocol)? Before you can begin to think of what dosage will be required, you need to know what your score is. If your E2 is currently low, then you possibly don't need any AI administration at all. It will also be good to know that range you want to keep your E2 at.

[curryman]

The last time I got bloods done while on HCG Mono and AI (1mg 2x/week), the test that was done was for Total Estrogens and my level was 50 with a range ( >40). I wish I had gotten the sensitive E2 test, but it does seem like my E2 would have been very low.

After I started Test, I was doing 100 mg Test/week, 250 IU HCG 2x/week, 0.5mg AI 2x/week. I got the E2 sensitive test and my level was 12(3-70). My baseline before everything was 22. Considering this, I would like to be somewhere between 20 and 30.

[ecdysone]

My doc will have me doing HCG at 500 IU 2x a week for a total of 1000 IU/week.

So what did your Doc say?

imo AIs are to be avoided like the plague!

If you understand that HCG-mono just basically re-establishes your natural test production to what it would have been, then there is usually no need to control E2.

I keep hearing that many guys become dissatisfied with HCG-mono as the effects seem to gradually wear off, what has your experience been?

[Vettester]

Curryman, if it were me, I would go get a new E2 test right now before starting the therapy. Not sure how long ago it was when your E2 was 12, but as you know that's not a good place to be. On that last estrogen test with the range of >40, it's just too unreliable to use as a means to determine any AI dosage.

Again, my suggestion would be to get the E2 sensitive assay right away. If your E2 is still low, or if it is in the 20's, I might refrain from taking any AI at all at this time, then run another E2 lab in four (4) weeks. You shouldn't see any excessive aromatization issues in 4 weeks from 2 x 500iu's per week of HCG, but discuss this in great detail with your doctor before making any decisions.

Everyone will metabolize differently, but on average, based on the protocol you are suggesting, I wouldn't imagine that a person would need anymore that .25mg x 2/wk of Anastrozole as a maintenance dose (if any at all!!), ONCE you get your E2 in the range that you prefer. It may take a few rounds of labs to get this tweaked, but it shouldn't be too complicated if you stay on top of it.

[curryman]

Vetteman, that is a great idea. I agree with you. I'm going to get my bloodwork done this Wednesday for the E2 sensitive. I will post back my result on it and get your input as to where I should go from there on the AI. Hopefully, no AI will needed at all.

[kelkel]

If it's labcorp here are your codes so they don't screw it up:

E Sensitive 140244
CPT Code 82670

And listen to the above guys....

[curryman]

thanks,kelkel. by the way, howd u get so much vascularity on ur arm? is that genetic or due to low bf?

[curryman]

Also, do you think that switching from 100 mg T/week and 250 HCG 2x to HCG at 500 IU twice a week would result in a rough transition period? I would think it wouldnt be that bad, considering LH will be replaced. What are your guys' input?

[GFA]

thanks,kelkel. by the way, howd u get so much vascularity on ur arm? is that genetic or due to low bf?

Diet + clen + t3 + 500 mg test cyp a week for 12 weeks.

Just kidding

Crazy vascularity in your arms kelkel! Arms look massive!