Dilema, dont know what to choose between the two

[DanB]

insurance covers it just like if it was financed.
im not sure how it works out the depreciation.
like lovebyts said about mileage you have to figure that out also. You can get leases that allow for different mileage.
typically on keeping a car for just a few years it makes sense to lease.

Yeah and depending on your line of work and tax status, you may be able to class it as an ''expense'' and basically write part if not all of the cost off against your tax so effectively costing you nothing, same with fuel

Dont know if system is same over there but thats how it works here, mabey something worth looking into . . . . . . .

[DCI]

if your not planning on keeping the car very long you may be better off leasing the camaro.
I'm not sure what they have for stability traction control. I know the benz's system is good.

Only fannys need TC

[lovbyts]

You will die laughing at people here in the snow. No one lowers their tire pressure. They honestly have no idea about physics and wont believe it helps. The stories I could tell.....

[DCI]

You will die laughing at people here in the snow. No one lowers their tire pressure. They honestly have no idea about physics and wont believe it helps. The stories I could tell.....

Man, you should try ireland, people putting snow socks on the front tyres of bmw's etc. And having no idea how to take off int he snow or how to take corners etc it's too funny. Honestly the only thing you really need on a car is ABS imo. Everything else is a bit useless. Even the TC in my new Ford Focus is crap kills all the power if you where on a sliding course so you cannot pull the car outta it.

[lovbyts]

You are so right, the so called TC on new cars is a joke. Its more of a liability than help if you know how to drive a car. It also gives those who don't know how to drive a false sense of security.

Here is a perfect example.
http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments...accident_nsfl/

[DCI]

Yep, new cars are very accomplished. Enginneers have really gotten on top of their game and imo there is no really badly engineered cars out there anymore. They all are neuteral with regards handling feel and all tend to understeer and be complient. I know I can drive the focus with little to no attention quickly due to the better and more modern shocks and a way stiffer chassis than the Alfa I own which has Eibachs and Bilsteins on it with upgraded brakes and better tyres etc.

They imo new cars have made people lazy and think they are all Aryton Senna on a twisty road it's just dangerous imo. The cars cover over most of their ham fisted driving and they think they can make their way out of any situation with all the "driver aids" they have in place. So people take more chances etc. And the newer cars of today are more cocooned. Like say do a 100mph in the Focus and you barely hear a thing do a 100mph in the Alfa and you know you are doing 100mph but then the alfa will do 140mph and the focus well won't lol.

I'm bored of new cars they are all the same due to the fact engineers have engineered nearly all the flaws that cars previous had and made them more fun to people like you and me who actually enjoy driving. Whereas I think now cars have become another white good just to drive from point a to point b. Which is sad, it's going to be like Mad Max soon where you will be saying "it's the last of the V8's" or something along those lines.

[lovbyts]

They are trying to phase out the V8, muscle cars again as we speak. They are trying to pass a bill in Washington State to raise the ethanol in gas up to 15% Yet another government scam that the sheep of America blindly believe is helping emissions because they are to dumb to notice as the additives put in gas and ethanol decreases gas mileage causing you to burn more gas and emitting more carbons into the atmosphere. 15% ethanol will dry out your hoses and gaskets as well as and anything rubber lined shortening the engines life. GREAT idea. Just like catalytic converters. I have removed them from 3 of my cars. I ran them through emission before and after emissions and each one tested cleaner, less carbon, more 02 after there were removed and NO they were not worn out or plugged.

[gixxerboy1]

They are trying to phase out the V8, muscle cars again as we speak. They are trying to pass a bill in Washington State to raise the ethanol in gas up to 15% Yet another government scam that the sheep of America blindly believe is helping emissions because they are to dumb to notice as the additives put in gas and ethanol decreases gas mileage causing you to burn more gas and emitting more carbons into the atmosphere. 15% ethanol will dry out your hoses and gaskets as well as and anything rubber lined shortening the engines life. GREAT idea. Just like catalytic converters. I have removed them from 3 of my cars. I ran them through emission before and after emissions and each one tested cleaner, less carbon, more 02 after there were removed and NO they were not worn out or plugged.

i didnt realize how much ethanol sucked to this year. I had a rental a chevy it was a flex fuel car. So they sell ethanol buy me so thats what i filled it up with since it was cheaper too. The gas mileage was horrible

[lovbyts]

i didnt realize how much ethanol sucked to this year. I had a rental a chevy it was a flex fuel car. So they sell ethanol buy me so thats what i filled it up with since it was cheaper too. The gas mileage was horrible

Most all gas stations put at least 10% ethanol in their gas now days. Find a station that does not use it at all and you will feel a big difference.

http://pure-gas.org/

[JimmySidewalk]

So 95 is the best gas you got ? I ask because its different from europe. I think your 95 is 100 in europe and 95 at us is the cheapest, lowest you can get thus beeing the corespondent of 80 something in US.

If a car needs premium gas, would that be 95 or 92 or what ?
Should i start looking for ethanol free in my region as well ?

[DSM4Life]

There is no "better gas." Read in the manual what your car is made to run off. If its the dirty cheap stuff then thats what you use. The only exception to this rule is when you are heavily modifying a car and adding things such as turbos.

[jasc]

Maybe that's Obama's stimulus package.. increase ethanol n you create more jobs for mechanics...

I was talkin to the guy at my local hardware who does small engine repair, his business is boomin. He said the ethanol in gas is destroying these small motors and as a result his repair business n new mower/small engine sales have skyrocketed.

[lovbyts]

Maybe that's Obama's stimulus package.. increase ethanol n you create more jobs for mechanics...

I was talkin to the guy at my local hardware who does small engine repair, his business is boomin. He said the ethanol in gas is destroying these small motors and as a result his repair business n new mower/small engine sales have skyrocketed.

Same here. I just bought a new Stihl chain saw and they said to make sure to NOT leave gas in it for more than 1 month because due to the new additives it is turning to gel quickly and destroying engines. They said they have been more busy the last year than ever before and I bought my fist chainsaw from them 25 years ago.

At the pumps we have 87, 89 & 92 (varies in state). I believe they are all over rated now days. Premium use to be 98, not 92. It makes a difference on the car specs what you can run but its all getting worse. Fact. Ping, ping, ping. Detonation is a BAD thing.

[DCI]

They are trying to phase out the V8, muscle cars again as we speak. They are trying to pass a bill in Washington State to raise the ethanol in gas up to 15% Yet another government scam that the sheep of America blindly believe is helping emissions because they are to dumb to notice as the additives put in gas and ethanol decreases gas mileage causing you to burn more gas and emitting more carbons into the atmosphere. 15% ethanol will dry out your hoses and gaskets as well as and anything rubber lined shortening the engines life. GREAT idea. Just like catalytic converters. I have removed them from 3 of my cars. I ran them through emission before and after emissions and each one tested cleaner, less carbon, more 02 after there were removed and NO they were not worn out or plugged.

Ethanol has actually a higher octane rating than the standard petrol as it burns faster and is actually a cleaner fuel than petrol but it's biggest issue is the calorific value of ethanol is less than petrol therefore it takes more actual fuel to fuel a car than petrol as that has a higher calorific value.

Yeh, I noticed that Ford where marketing the V6 mustang more than the V8 over in the US when I was there and having had one and did 2.5k miles in it, the fuel consumption was pretty crap in around the mid to high 24mpg is all it got and that was all highway driving with a mental long 6th gear and final drive in them means it was only revving at 2.3k revs at 80mph.

Ahh the catalytic converter is always a funny one I don't think they do much either to be honest.

[al_capone]

I like the Camaro, but will never own one because there are three at every intersection in this town. I value exclusivity, so I would go with the SL for sure.

Im with you on this. They fcked it up just like the dodge charger. They put a v6 in it so everyone's grandma and girlfriend has one. Way to many.


I'd like to make a suggestion. A Cadillac CTS-V. I have an 07 with a LS2 (405hp) in it and picked it up for 16k on rims. Yepp a caddy with a vette motor and a 6 speed. All leather and suede. Badazz electronics. Plus the V series has a different body than all the CTS's. Doing 175 in this baby is like floating on glass.


Oh and I eat up that Camaro RS and that lil benz all dayyyyyy for the same price.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbuDRA4zNbw that should pump you up.

[al_capone]

Andddddd I get 3 mpg when I mash it. 21 on the highway.

[JimmySidewalk]

When i see a cadillac i think of old mobsters, funerals, sopranos and such

[JohnnyVegas]

There is no "better gas." Read in the manual what your car is made to run off. If its the dirty cheap stuff then thats what you use. The only exception to this rule is when you are heavily modifying a car and adding things such as turbos.

Correct. The most modern cars will run on crap gas and be happy. They can adjust things like timing on the fly to prevent preignition etc. I don't think my older, modified motor will be happy if they up the ethanol.

[JohnnyVegas]

Andddddd I get 3 mpg when I mash it. 21 on the highway.

I get 8mpg in town and 10mpg highway. I don't want to know what I get when I mash it.

[calgarian]

i've owned 2 benzes and the wife has 1 now. I never took a beating on 1.

Except for the 69 camaro ss all other camaro's blow a giant asshole. I'm a mustang guy myself.... but ford did an excellent job with the direction they took the stangs. I feel like chevy jumped on the bandwagon and figured the camaro would blow up..... you see alot of them but most are shitty 6 bangers. The car is ugly too.....

Go with the Benz all the way..... it screams class. Even if I had a choice of a stang and a benz.... I'd still take the benz..... unless it was a gt500 stang lol.

~Haz~

Ditto...Banz I had the misfortune of driving american car mind you not the same category but they blow, big ugly and cant make a turn and cause they are big takes 5 feet more to stop....what a painful experience for 4 freaking days.

[DCI]

Correct. The most modern cars will run on crap gas and be happy. They can adjust things like timing on the fly to prevent preignition etc. I don't think my older, modified motor will be happy if they up the ethanol.

You can get it mapped assuming it is an injection engine of some kind bud and probably make more HP than on standard fuel. As I said it gives more bhp but has less calorific value than standard fuel so you need more of it physically but the swedish run their Koernizeg on them and they 800bhp from standard fuel and 900 odd bhp on ethanol.

[JohnnyVegas]

You can get it mapped assuming it is an injection engine of some kind bud and probably make more HP than on standard fuel. As I said it gives more bhp but has less calorific value than standard fuel so you need more of it physically but the swedish run their Koernizeg on them and they 800bhp from standard fuel and 900 odd bhp on ethanol.

Nope, not injected.

I know ethanol allows more HP in some cars because you can advance the timing and add more boost. It adds octane even though it losses efficiency. I don't know if this will help my motor or not. I am mostly concerned about the corrosive aspects I have read about. I don't think the manufacturers want higher ethanol either because they don't know what it will do to long-term reliability.

[cherrydrpepper]

Ive driven a friend's 2012 Mustang GT many times. They put a 5.0 in the GT now - 400 horsepower. The car is absolutely fun to drive. As far as pulling poon, there are only 3 hot girls at my work. One of them saw me in the car behind her at a light. The next day she went out of her way to start a conversation with me. Personally I don't believe in cars pulling bitches unless you have a lambo or something. Its really about the man. I have a friend who can pull bitches in a $500 saturn. It definitely can help though.

[kmdietri]

I almost always say domestic, but in this case I'd have to say the Benz. Never been a big fan of Camero's

[DCI]

Nope, not injected.

I know ethanol allows more HP in some cars because you can advance the timing and add more boost. It adds octane even though it losses efficiency. I don't know if this will help my motor or not. I am mostly concerned about the corrosive aspects I have read about. I don't think the manufacturers want higher ethanol either because they don't know what it will do to long-term reliability.

The biggest issue is ethanol eats the rubber compoents in the car and can attract water means certain parts also wear out quicker I presume ask the person who built your engine would the ethanol have any issues with the motor

[Misery13]

Go for a 2004 Ford Lightning. It's got 360 factory hp with a roots-eaton supercharger. You can add a chip, long tube headers, and power pulleys bring the HP up to 500 easily. It's a beast

Nice... I've wanted a Ford lightning for awhile. I currently drive a F 350 quad cab turbo diesel dually.

[gixxerboy1]

[Misery13]

Anything ford, lincoln or BMW.

[gixxerboy1]

Anything ford, lincoln or BMW.

i had 1 lincoln. biggest piece of shit i ever owned.

[JimmySidewalk]

Well ya'll are talking from the american point of view. Here in europe i've been up to my nuts in bmw's, benz's, audi's. Good cars, but everyone has one. Even the more "top" considered models. BTW, in europe ford is shiit. Probably that's the reason i tend to lean in favour of the camaro. Never seen one live to be honest.

[lovbyts]

Ugly as hell but those spinners are a mind fvck, looks like the car is floating or sliding on ice.

[DCI]

Why not get a GTA 156 if you are in europe nice left field car and fairly fast too.

[ironbeck]

I perfect luxury over muscle, and a Mercedes like BMW and Lexus is an undercover sports car anyway.....there is no choice as far as I'm concerned :-)

[JimmySidewalk]

I am in europe but i'll be moving to US soon. I need a car in the US.

[DCI]

Ahh, then get a Viper, they are looking nice now