Do i need steroids to gain this physique?

[TwoMoreReps]

my stats atm are 160lbs at 5, 10"

i am 21 , have been training on and off since 17..
I know all there is to know about diet. cals in, cals out, macro/micro needs.
can i achieve this body naturally ? this is my goal phsyique..
his name is n a s o, also bodybuilders like josef rakich, zyzz..



i dont want to be mislead in believing i can achieve something naturaly when in reality i cant it de motivates me.
i want the know the truth, their are a bunch of liars that claim natty and mislead young ambitious people like me.

i dont want the big big big look just perfect like this. i have considered steroids and will only go on them the right way
after alot of research and plan, if i do go on them i DO NOT attend on abusing them, the perfect cycle with a perfect pct. doctors checks everything. ive seen many friends just hop on them with no knowledge and ****ing up later in life. My 4 gym partners are currently on test once a week. they seem to be doing it right having researched on it also but in the past i havent been interested until i have been researching what is really attainable naturally..

and basically have read not to get my hopes too high if im not on the bike..

please respond thanks.

[tlash88]

To young anyways, you have four years before you should take them so if you work your ass off you can achieve that naturally over the next four years.

[TwoMoreReps]

So i can achieve that physique in 4 years time ?
also could you explain when people say these bodybuilders are not natty are they trying to say they used testosterone to bulk or something like clen or whatever its called to cut to a certain bf?
and for what reason is 21 too young for steroids? is it hard to get naturaly testosterone levels back to normal even with pct when this age?

[tlash88]

Well can't answer about the bodybuilder question because I dont know the answer to that. But from everything I have read basically, that if you add testosterone to your body there is a good possibility of shutting down your endocrine system so you'll end up on testosterone repla***ent therapy. Also increasing your chance of erectile distinction which being all jacked with no hardware to use on the women is basically pointless. Now is it 100% this will happen from taking aas at a young age, No! But it increases your chance big time.

[NEMESIS RR]

With the help of a good nutritionist, occasional trainer and dedication yes.

[C-BuZz]

So i can achieve that physique in 4 years time ?
also could you explain when people say these bodybuilders are not natty are they trying to say they used testosterone to bulk or something like clen or whatever its called to cut to a certain bf?
and for what reason is 21 too young for steroids? is it hard to get naturaly testosterone levels back to normal even with pct when this age?

Yes you can achieve that naturally. However, if your just starting out it's going to take you a SOLID 4-5yrs (possibly longer) to get close to that doing it naturally. But to answer your question, yes it's very possible & you could even surpass that physique with some good dedication/commitment totally naturally IMO.

Everyone has an opinion, natural or not only they will know for sure. If this happened over a short period of time 1-2yrs, then I'd probably say it's not natural.

[< <Samson> >]

Read bro and look around. There is a guy on here that makes that guy look like a joke and is all natural. Now he wants to cycle.


Genetics are still real. Not all people are the same at all. I'm happy with my medium self some people have better genetics some just don't.


It does depend on who you are, then what you are willing and can do to change that.

[Bonaparte]

Read bro and look around. There is a guy on here that makes that guy look like a joke and is all natural. Now he wants to cycle.


Genetics are still real. Not all people are the same at all. I'm happy with my medium self some people have better genetics some just don't.


It does depend on who you are, then what you are willing and can do to change that.

Who? It would take amazing genetics and everything else dialed in perfectly to maintain a physique like that naturally.
So my answer to the original question is...probably not.

[sneakyhats]

Some people may hate me for saying this, but train natty with a good diet and in 5+ years you'll get that. Do the same with juice and u MAY get there within 2 solid years depending on what you use and how you do it.

Everyones body is different, from what I have learnt its all about patience. Im 19 and I've already done var which wasn't worth it all. All it did was shut me down as my test was pretty high as it is, but I did benefit out of the strength gains.

If you had been training constantly and not on and off since the age of 17 then sure you may be ready for the basic stuff.

[phoenix44]

Who? It would take amazing genetics and everything else dialed in perfectly to maintain a physique like that naturally.
So my answer to the original question is...probably not.

Are you serious? That Is 100% obtainable. He isn't even that big just nice and lean.

I've got a buddy who is almost there and doesn't even eat right and he's natural.

Is that the body type you will have ?that's dependent on genetics but from a muscle building stand point it's def achievable

[< <Samson> >]

Check this out.


I personally have seen somewhat similar results but not as defined.

[gearbox]

roid or not...that takes some good genetics and spot on diet.

also would take years to gain a chest that size imo

[phoenix44]

roid or not...that takes some good genetics and spot on diet.

also would take years to gain a chest that size imo

Maybe my friends are just freaks I guess

[big_ron]

I believe he said he is 5% body fat & 93kgs (pic on OP)
I think he claims natural, i dont know any guys who are natural and look like that. But still it looks good. juice or no juice, after all this is a AAS site

[JohnnyVegas]

Check this out.


I personally have seen somewhat similar results but not as defined.

What happened to that guy? He disappeared. He looked amazing if he was being truthful.

[Bonaparte]

Check this out.


I personally have seen somewhat similar results but not as defined.

That kid was obviously messing with us. Otherwise, he would already be a natural BBing champ.

[phoenix44]

I believe he said he is 5% body fat & 93kgs (pic on OP)
I think he claims natural, i dont know any guys who are natural and look like that. But still it looks good. juice or no juice, after all this is a AAS site

I don't think the guy in the pic is 5% but maybe I'm wrong

[big_ron]

I don't think the guy in the pic is 5% but maybe I'm wrong

Its what he has said as a comment with the pic

[phoenix44]

I gotcha. I was just more curious than anything if he was actually 5%

[27300man]

I'm sure very few people gifted with top notch genetics can achieve that naturally. IMO most of us will need steroids and perfect diet to get to that physic. Some can't even get there with the help of steroids.

Op: I would work hard to get as close as you can to your desired physic, then when your older an closer to your goal consider roids. If you do roids just know what your getting into, know the risk to reward.

[Brohim]

OP steroids will not make you look like that. IT's all about genetic's. I had a buddy in the military who looked like that. Didn't take anything other than protein powder and he didn't even eat great either. He had a naturally high metabolism and big chest muscles. Just focus on eating and lifting and you can make progress and build YOUR best body. You sure as hell don't need drugs to be lean. So if that is the look you want then natural is possible. If you want to look like Jay cutler then hit the sauce.

[Bonaparte]

OP steroids will not make you look like that. IT's all about genetic's. I had a buddy in the military who looked like that. Didn't take anything other than protein powder and he didn't even eat great either. He had a naturally high metabolism and big chest muscles. Just focus on eating and lifting and you can make progress and build YOUR best body. You sure as hell don't need drugs to be lean. So if that is the look you want then natural is possible. If you want to look like Jay cutler then hit the sauce.

So let me get this straight: A) You happen to know a guy who has great genetics and a big chest, therefore the OP can also achieve his ideal physique naturally.
and B) steroids are only needed if you want to win the Mr Olympia contest.

Yeahhhh...

[JohnnyVegas]

...and B) steroids are only needed if you want to win the Mr Olympia contest.

Hells yeah, that's me...Mr. Olympia 2014. Wait, do they even have the Masters any more?

Obviously kidding and agreeing with you. There are two hundred guys here that have no intention of competing. Ever.

[Bonaparte]

Hells yeah, that's me...Mr. Olympia 2014. Wait, do they even have the Masters any more?

Obviously kidding and agreeing with you. There are two hundred guys here that have no intention of competing. Ever.

Considering we have 182,122 members and 6,332 currently viewing this section, I'd say that we have a lot more than 200 guys that are wasting their time just looking good and lifting heavier on AAS, when they could be competing against Jay Cutler.

[ecruz]

Who? It would take amazing genetics and everything else dialed in perfectly to maintain a physique like that naturally.
So my answer to the original question is...probably not.

got to love bonapartes honesty and i also totally agree that its not likely to do it all natty

[rockinred]

bona... I agree with you.. it does take anabolics to get to the next level, but the picture that the op posted really isn't that big at all. The guy is very lean with some solid base.

OP, everyones genetic makeup is different as we all know. Why don't you post up some pics of yourself. I see a pic on your avatar and you are fairly lean, but do not appear to work out that much or maybe just a bit. Where are you now and what type of experience do you have. i.e. how long have you been lifting and training for to put you where you are at now.

That will give you the best idea of where you stand in relation to another ones build and what it will take to get there, but keep in mind you are you and not that other person. For some that might be possible without cycling while for others it would definitely not be. Like I said, that dude has a very good base and very lean, but is really not that big imo.

[TwoMoreReps]

thanks for the reply people im going to post stats and pics as the above poster suggested.

i have been training since 17, am 21 now.. these 4 years was really on and off ide build some muscle and then get distracted and stop going.
since the age of 18 ive been binge drinking partying every saturday and been at gym on and off ive only been really serious about this since middle of last year.
ive recently stopped going out clubbin/drinking last weekend was my first off actualy and have been at the gym since january..

i know i could of gained alot more muscle but i blame it on the alcohol, because on weekends ide consume alot of sugar and alcohol and the next day diet would be way below maintainence, days of gym would be missed it just wasnt consistent.. i now am dedicated and willing to make sacrifices.

height is 5 10"
hip size : 31in
Waist : 32in
Thigh : 21.5in ( ive allways had skinny legs)
Calf : 13in ^^^
Bicep : 14.5in

Currently on a clean surplus to gain 0.5lbs - 1lbs p/week.
when im at gym im increasing (or trying) the weight every week , pushing out every set to failure.
i have also included negatives in my workouts. Fitting the main compound excercises (squat, bench, deadlift, shoulderpress etc.) in my workouts and then added few bits and bats here.

Staying hydrated daily with 3-4 litres of water, Supplements used are Whey, Multi, creatine and fishoil. get most of my proteins from real food. whey just in morning and after workout.

about the back acne i get asked if iam on steroids because of that i dont know why lmao i have no size. it started hapening when i waxed my back once and happend ever since. ive NEVER been on steroids or Pro hormones or Testosterone boosters.

Thankyou.

[Brohim]

You don't need steriods bro. You can get as big as you want by eating. And then you can lean out with a proper diet and/or cardio. It takes a while of consistent working out and eating right to change but stick with it and you will get results. You are producing a lot of test at 21 so no need to take anything. Your hormone are still up regulating so acne might still be a problem. Just try to keep the affected area clean and if it's on your back get a scrubber.

[Brohim]

So let me get this straight: A) You happen to know a guy who has great genetics and a big chest, therefore the OP can also achieve his ideal physique naturally.
and B) steroids are only needed if you want to win the Mr Olympia contest.

Yeahhhh...

What I meant was your muscle shape/bone structure is determined by genetic's. My buddy never took a steriod. But he was strong as an ox, big chest and shoulders. Steriods are not a magic pill that will change your genetic's. You have to work with what you got.

Besides the OP is only 21 his test is sky high. He just needs to nail down the diet and stay consistent.

[Hukebuck]

Im no guru or pro but i agree with everyone genetics and diet. I personally know and work with people that are on trt because they started to young and didnt know what they were getting into. I work with a guy thats bigger than the OPs picture but not quite as cut up but hes worked hard for years and ate right for years also and he wont consider cycling. I personally have a grandad that used to compete in bb comps and he was all natural but he was also 100% dedicated to it and he was a freak. I guess those genetics skipped me. Lol. Ive done 2 cycles but i waited til i was old enough and i researched it all the way from HS until i thought i was ready so listen to these guys when they say eat right and train hard. Do yourself a favor and wait on cycling youll be glad

[D7M]

I think you could achieve that physique naturally.

Here's an example for you: Fireguy. He competed naturally for what? 20 years?

AAS will only get you there faster (not that you should do that at your age, just saying).

[rockinred]

thanks for the reply people im going to post stats and pics as the above poster suggested.

i have been training since 17, am 21 now.. these 4 years was really on and off ide build some muscle and then get distracted and stop going.
since the age of 18 ive been binge drinking partying every saturday and been at gym on and off ive only been really serious about this since middle of last year.
ive recently stopped going out clubbin/drinking last weekend was my first off actualy and have been at the gym since january..

i know i could of gained alot more muscle but i blame it on the alcohol, because on weekends ide consume alot of sugar and alcohol and the next day diet would be way below maintainence, days of gym would be missed it just wasnt consistent.. i now am dedicated and willing to make sacrifices.

height is 5 10"
hip size : 31in
Waist : 32in
Thigh : 21.5in ( ive allways had skinny legs)
Calf : 13in ^^^
Bicep : 14.5in

Currently on a clean surplus to gain 0.5lbs - 1lbs p/week.
when im at gym im increasing (or trying) the weight every week , pushing out every set to failure.
i have also included negatives in my workouts. Fitting the main compound excercises (squat, bench, deadlift, shoulderpress etc.) in my workouts and then added few bits and bats here.

Staying hydrated daily with 3-4 litres of water, Supplements used are Whey, Multi, creatine and fishoil. get most of my proteins from real food. whey just in morning and after workout.

about the back acne i get asked if iam on steroids because of that i dont know why lmao i have no size. it started hapening when i waxed my back once and happend ever since. ive NEVER been on steroids or Pro hormones or Testosterone boosters.

Thankyou.

I think you might be able to achieve that with some hard work and dedication. You have a very long way to go. Not that you look bad or anything, but the picture you want to look like has quite a few things. A) muscle base B) more lean than you. So you will have to spend some time in the gym hitting the weights hard and spend even more effort on diet. Somewhat clean bulking and then dieting down and then clean bulking and then dieting down. Repeat as long as you can until you achieve it. The key with that type of physique is to not get too sloppy big. The dieting will be that much harder to get to. I say it will take at least 2-4 yrs easily as one poster stated in this thread. Heck, what's the hurry all we have is time anyway. I would get into the diet section and learn about adding in calories that allow you to build muscle off the proper nutrients. Good luck!

[1000_DaysAsTheLion]

you need to diet and train for a couple years before steroids will even do you any good. since everyone is different you may be able to achieve that natty, maybe not. if you've been training a couple years you should have a good idea of whether you can, and then start researching and all that to see if its worth the risks to get there.

[haterade]

op... yes..