George Zimmerman Arrested Today For Second Degree Murder

[Flagg]

Yep Florida brought in a special prosecutor to file murder charges against George Zimmerman for the Murder of Trayvon Martin. Second degree murder charges were filed. I feel so much safer now that we have this mass murderer of racist proportions off the streets (no one ever said he was a mass murderer, just someone who got away with murder). There are way too many racist murders in the US these days, one a year possibly (as of 2009, of Single-Bias hate crime incidents, 48.5% were racially motivated and of Offences of bias incident of which there were 6598, 49.1% of those were race related) . There were six black people murdered in the last few days in KC but they were black on black crime and that is ok cause no one who is black gives a crap about that (so if no one gives a crap about that, we shouldn't give a crap about this. You see how tragic this statement you have said is?) . But at least we got that racist murderer off the streets (it's said Zimmerman has had quite a history of violence throughout his life, that said, to his credit he handed himself in). It's crazy that blacks are fine with killing each other but don't let anyone else kill one of them (since when are black people fine with being killed, regardless of race?). I feel for George Zimmerman he was tried and convicted and sentenced in the media. Lost his house, his family and his job and had to go into hiding due to a bounty being on his life from the black panthers and others. At least he is safe in jail now till the trial which btw has no evidence to convict him (well if there is no evidence, why are you getting so bent out of shape over all this?). But his innocence will bring riots on the streets down in Florida as a segment of the black society goes on a rampage of violence, burning, stealing and beating up anyone in their path, whites, mexicans, asians are all to be targets. As well as local stores as they run in and loot for all they can all in the name of justice because a kid whom they had never heard of was killed by a man they had never heard of but that is ok. They now have a reason to rob steal and maime. Ya got to love our system and they will all get away with it because everyone is so politically correct so no one will be held accountable.

I bolded this post. Some of this is gross misinformation with too much emotion by it that you seem more focussed on the colour of peoples skin as opposed to the actual crime.

You seem so convinced that the U.S. government does nothing but keep whitey down, that you probably forgot that Shawn Tyson, a black teenager was given a mandatory life sentence last week for the killing of two british, very white, tourists. Happy?

[cherrydrpepper]

I would convict for manslaughter but not 2nd degree murder. From the tapes and the one eye witness it sounds like Zimmerman was getting his ass beat.

[gixxerboy1]

I would convict for manslaughter but not 2nd degree murder. From the tapes and the one eye witness it sounds like Zimmerman was getting his ass beat.

I'm assuming the have enough evidence for murder 2. The prosecutors want a conviction in a high profile case. I doubt they would over charge if they couldnt get it

[tcw]

I'm assuming the have enough evidence for murder 2. The prosecutors want a conviction in a high profile case. I doubt they would over charge if they couldnt get it

If the witnesses that said he was getting his arse whipped...are greater than 1, AND he has a GOOD ATTORNEY...he will walk.

2nd degree murder requires an intent to do harm.

The video of witnesses that i saw...said he was getting beat up. If witnesses say he was walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked...he should have never been arrested.

This case is a Political case....a Kangaroo court will convict.

..but if the witnesses are telling the truth...then no case for the state and it is merely a show to appease the public.

[tcw]

We have the attorney general...praising a Racist.

Do you think Zimmerman will get a Fair Trial?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric...-guide-trayvon

[gixxerboy1]

If the witnesses that said he was getting his arse whipped...are greater than 1, AND he has a GOOD ATTORNEY...he will walk.

2nd degree murder requires an intent to do harm.

The video of witnesses that i saw...said he was getting beat up. If witnesses say he was walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked...he should have never been arrested.

This case is a Political case....a Kangaroo court will convict.

..but if the witnesses are telling the truth...then no case for the state and it is merely a show to appease the public.

the media played this out to much and to much info was public.
I also heard a witness that said the guy in orange(zimmerman) was on top in the struggle.
they may have scientific evidence that we dont know about. Blood splatter, gun shot residue. Who knows.

[tcw]

the media played this out to much and to much info was public.
I also heard a witness that said the guy in orange(zimmerman) was on top in the struggle.
they may have scientific evidence that we dont know about. Blood splatter, gun shot residue. Who knows.

Well...if Z was ontop...then how did he get a busted nose AND Grass and Dirty soil on the back of his head?

...that story doesn't add up.

Not to mention the fact that the Father of T...said on few occasions that the voice yelling for help...was not his son. He then changed his story ???

I also read that Z said "there was a struggle for his gun" when it went off (...which i believe he carried in his Waist).

Z doesn't seem like the aggressive type...especially after hearing that phone call. Dude sounds like he's depressed on the phone call to LE.

Judging simply by the demeanor of Z's phone call...and the you tube witnesses who said that Z was underneath T...yelling for help...AND THE IDIOT Demagogues Jackson and Not-to-Sharpton...making this a CIVIL RIGHTS issue...i would side with Z.

Unlike the MEDIA which has everyone believing that he followed T... he did not. He turned around after being told not to follow.

The prosecutor will have to destroy the witnesses for Z to make their case.

...We will see.

[gixxerboy1]

Well...if Z was ontop...then how did he get a busted nose AND Grass and Dirty soil on the back of his head?

...that story doesn't add up.

Not to mention the fact that the Father of T...said on few occasions that the voice yelling for help...was not his son. He then changed his story ???

I also read that Z said "there was a struggle for his gun" when it went off (...which i believe he carried in his Waist).

Z doesn't seem like the aggressive type...especially after hearing that phone call. Dude sounds like he's depressed on the phone call to LE.

Judging simply by the demeanor of Z's phone call...and the you tube witnesses who said that Z was underneath T...yelling for help...AND THE IDIOT Demagogues Jackson and Not-to-Sharpton...making this a CIVIL RIGHTS issue...i would side with Z.

Unlike the MEDIA which has everyone believing that he followed T... he did not. He turned around after being told not to follow.

The prosecutor will have to destroy the witnesses for Z to make their case.

...We will see.

i dont want to debate it. Neither of us know all the facts. for every thing you pointed out there is a counter argument. Only the prosecutor knows all the evidence. And this is a very high profile case. So i cant see them over charging and taking the risk of loosing. IMO they must feel like they can win murder 2 or they would have charged man slaughter.

[Nooomoto]

the media played this out to much and to much info was public.
I also heard a witness that said the guy in orange(zimmerman) was on top in the struggle.
they may have scientific evidence that we dont know about. Blood splatter, gun shot residue. Who knows.

They certainly have more than we know about, or they wouldn't have brought a charge. I've been in rather serious trouble before, facing multiple felony charges and got off clean. If I were Zimmerman, and using my lawyer this charge would be thrown out before making it to trial IF what we know is indeed the only evidence. I believe that there is more evidence/to the story than we know about at current time.

[Coolhand5599]

I would convict for manslaughter but not 2nd degree murder. From the tapes and the one eye witness it sounds like Zimmerman was getting his ass beat.

Agree, manslaughter is even questionable. He will walk. To much evidence it was self defense. He should of listened to the 911 dispatch and not followed. But that is not illegal.

[Shol'va]

[QUOTE=Flagg;5972076]I bolded this post. Some of this is gross misinformation with too much emotion by it that you seem more focussed on the colour of peoples skin as opposed to the actual crime.

You seem so convinced that the U.S. government does nothing but keep whitey down, that you probably forgot that Shawn Tyson, a black teenager was given a mandatory life sentence last week for the killing of two british, very white, tourists. Happy?QUOTE]

In all seriousness I would be happy if after the trial regardless of the outcome that there will be no riots and stealing and robbing over this incident anywhere in the US. And I was being facetious on this story not to be taken seriously. I figured most here would have known that. It's when I take a subject and stretch it so far beyond belief that I assume everyone, ok most know it's BS coming from me and read between the lines as to what I'm really saying. Oh well sorry for your upset. It's been one of those days...lol

[zaggahamma]

I bolded this post. Some of this is gross misinformation with too much emotion by it that you seem more focussed on the colour of peoples skin as opposed to the actual crime.

You seem so convinced that the U.S. government does nothing but keep whitey down, that you probably forgot that Shawn Tyson, a black teenager was given a mandatory life sentence last week for the killing of two british, very white, tourists. Happy?

well, did he kill them? was it self defense? whats the correlation to this thread?

[Flagg]

well, did he kill them? was it self defense? whats the correlation to this thread?

They walked into the wrong part of the neighbourhood, he originally was robbing them at gun point, and I think he was "co-erced" by his gang to kill them as some ****ed up right of passage.

The reason I made a point is because Sholva started this thread by basically saying "this is only getting air time because a white guy shot a black kid and not the other way round", which is not true as I have demonstrated. I don't know how much air time Shawn Tyson got in the states, but it's been a pretty big thing in the news over here in the UK.

If it's any consolation, how this whole thing has been handled by the US Media is in huge poor taste and in poorer taste by the President using this as a means of scoring some cheap brownie points.

[zaggahamma]

They walked into the wrong part of the neighbourhood, he originally was robbing them at gun point, and I think he was "co-erced" by his gang to kill them as some ****ed up right of passage.

The reason I made a point is because Sholva started this thread by basically saying "this is only getting air time because a white guy shot a black kid and not the other way round", which is not true as I have demonstrated. I don't know how much air time Shawn Tyson got in the states, but it's been a pretty big thing in the news over here in the UK.

If it's any consolation, how this whole thing has been handled by the US Media is in huge poor taste and in poorer taste by the President using this as a means of scoring some cheap brownie points.

agree with all that

and until u mentioned it i never heard of the tyson incident

[Flagg]

agree with all that

and until u mentioned it i never heard of the tyson incident

Exactly, I mean "if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon", i mean get the **** outta here. If he had a son, he wouldn't even be living in that part of the world and would likely be groomed to be yet another rich, elitist prick.

The problem with the West now, is that guys like us, who are from working or middle class backgrounds, have become beholden to the rich elite and the wasters that just drain the system by being on welfare and benefits. In that sense neither group is that much alike, and guys like us, slap bang in the middle, support both these groups financially. It really makes me sick.

EDIT: Likely the reason that Shawn Tyson has got virtually no air time over in the States is probably because of the whole Trayvon thing.

That's the Media for you.

[Shol'va]

They walked into the wrong part of the neighbourhood, he originally was robbing them at gun point, and I think he was "co-erced" by his gang to kill them as some ****ed up right of passage.

The reason I made a point is because Sholva started this thread by basically saying "this is only getting air time because a white guy shot a black kid and not the other way round", which is not true as I have demonstrated. I don't know how much air time Shawn Tyson got in the states, but it's been a pretty big thing in the news over here in the UK.

If it's any consolation, how this whole thing has been handled by the US Media is in huge poor taste and in poorer taste by the President using this as a means of scoring some cheap brownie points.

Zimmerman isn't a white guy but yet they continue to claim it was a racist incident. It would be interesting to know what would have happened if it had been the other way around though. I had never heard of Shawn Tyson until you posted about him and I doubt if many here from the states had either. You are right though about it all being handled in poor taste though. Even though the civil rights act was passed in 1964, there are always some small group somewhere ready to fan the flames of perceived racism where ever they can. It's sad that there are still those who are so easily manipulated into the pot. But Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are good at what they do, stir up controversy...remember Tawanna Brawley? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_...pe_allegations and it gives them more political miles especially if the outcome is in their favor and it keeps them in the spotlight at the expense of victims.

[JohnnyVegas]

...remember Tawanna Brawley?

I am old enough to remember that. What a mess.

[Flagg]

Zimmerman isn't a white guy but yet they continue to claim it was a racist incident. It would be interesting to know what would have happened if it had been the other way around though. I had never heard of Shawn Tyson until you posted about him and I doubt if many here from the states had either. You are right though about it all being handled in poor taste though. Even though the civil rights act was passed in 1964, there are always some small group somewhere ready to fan the flames of perceived racism where ever they can. It's sad that there are still those who are so easily manipulated into the pot. But Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are good at what they do, stir up controversy...remember Tawanna Brawley? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_...pe_allegations and it gives them more political miles especially if the outcome is in their favor and it keeps them in the spotlight at the expense of victims.

Look it frustrates me as well. And I wonder if the story got so much air time in the UK, not so much because it was a black guy killing two whites, but it was a black guy killing two british citizens. I heard on the radio recently that in economic hardships, there will be a higher proportion of black men unemployed in the UK than the US. So I thought "well, is there something wrong with our system" until I found that apparantly there is legislation in America that says that a company MUST employ a percentage of ethnic minorities into their firms. This is a good and bad thing. It stops racist company owners turning away a capable minority, but it also means because of quotas, if a minority is the only one in ten white people at the interview stage, he will likely get a job. I think this policy is bad.

Now I remember when women got equal rights. It was a huge milestone and there hasn't been any issues since. I just wonder why there will always be a problem with whites and everyone else. Because there clearly is a problem.

As for the Black Panther group, why the Hell aren't they being arrested for inciting hatred? Surely their speeches are hateful. I dont know if you know this, but we're sending a whole bunch of muslim extremists to you soon. About 10 guys we arrested and have incarcerated for years, basically for extreme racial hatred. But your government wants them extradited to the states. They are going to some Hyper Max prison, the only ones you have where i think everyone is in solitary for 23 hours a day.

Crime is a direct result of poverty and lack of education, that's my opinion, and I mean urban crime that requires police attention, not corporate crime. If black people commit more crime than white people, that would infer they live in more poverty and have less education. So, in some ways, is it better a black person, even if he/she isn't very skilled, is working rather out there shooting people?

At the end of the day, most problems can be traced back to Government and their policies of deciding what they think is best for all of us in their rose tinted vision.

[tcw]

Crime is a direct result of poverty and lack of education, that's my opinion, and I mean urban crime that requires police attention, not corporate crime. If black people commit more crime than white people, that would infer they live in more poverty and have less education. So, in some ways, is it better a black person, even if he/she isn't very skilled, is working rather out there shooting people?

At the end of the day, most problems can be traced back to Government and their policies of deciding what they think is best for all of us in their rose tinted vision.

Its LARGELY a "cultural problem."

Many American Blacks PRAISE violence. They support of their hero's RAP STARS, and tough guy Actors, who all think they are Bad Arses, by purchasing their "Kill niggas, cops, crackas, spics, CD's and movies." The are "anxyious (sic) to prove their manhood by shooting someone...or kicking someones' arse (typically someone who is weaker or in a compromising condition).

I don't feel ONE BIT SORRY for them....AT ALL !

They support that tough guy BS....they can reap the benefits of it.

As a creed, they have been given more chances and opportunities to turn their culture around and make a positive impact on this country...than any other creed....but a las they have not.

That's why 70-80 percent of the prison population is composed of Blacks. Its not the government....its their own culture.

...i tell them the same thing on the street when i collect the rent. Some of them will listen and you can see are trying to better themselves...They usually make it out of the hood.

The one's that don't are usually the ones headed for trouble. You see their eye's glaze over...and they fog out. This is common when talking to someone who's been brainwashed to think that their problems are the result of "Whitey or Government" keeping them down.

...none of this is a revelation....but most whites won't come out and say it.