Illogicality about steroids and age similar to the likes of Gary Wadler.

[magicstick2003]

He's angry....you are right people who don't like the advice here can go elsewhere and get advice from other people, till they get the answer they want. However they may not know they jacked themself up for quite some time. To each his own boss, if you want to take the risk of permanently messing up a developing system then be our guest. To me 20 lbs doesn't seem like an acceptable risk.

[LolWuter]

He's angry....you are right people who don't like the advice here can go elsewhere and get advice from other people, till they get the answer they want. However they may not know they jacked themself up for quite some time. To each his own boss, if you want to take the risk of permanently messing up a developing system then be our guest. To me 20 lbs doesn't seem like an acceptable risk.

Different boards have different leaders and attitudes. RXMuscle is the most libertarian board I guess but it's also the biggest (in the size of the members) and Dave Palumbo is very knowledgeable. I know a couple of HUGE 19/20 year olds that juice on that board whose test levels are fine and get routine bloodwork.

[magicstick2003]

Different boards have different leaders and attitudes. RXMuscle is the most libertarian board I guess but it's also the biggest (in the size of the members) and Dave Palumbo is very knowledgeable. I know a couple of HUGE 19/20 year olds that juice on that board whose test levels are fine and get routine bloodwork.

Number of members doesn't always mean the most knowledgeable or responsible. Everyone ALWAYS has an exception to the norm, doesn't mean its the right thing. I could care less if someone does AS, it doesn't affect my body nor my life. What bothers me is people who don't research, don't even know how to work out, don't eat right, don't bother to monitor there blood levels pre and post (especially if young and 99% of those that are below the recommended age are not going to go to a doctor and ask for proper blood work and tell them they need this because they want to do AS) and think it's completely risk free and won't/can't possibly have any long term effects on them. Pretty much it seem like you started this thread to get a rise out of people because you don't have much else to do with your time. You can find research on any topic to justify what you want to do.

[JohnnyVegas]

And people between 18-25 aren't kids. In many cases they're killing machines in the military and taking huge risks.

News flash. 24 year old self supporting men that works for a living, are of age to vote, and serve and die for this country are kids...

Don't take it personally. Calling someone a kid is cultural, not necessarily mean spirited. For example, I often call anyone young enough to be my son a "kid." It is not meant to be insulting. NOTE: this is my first post in this thread - I have not called anyone a kid here...just explaining one perspective on what seems to be a hot-button issue for some.

Having said that, I will think twice before using this term that reflects endearment to me, but apparently pisses some guys off.