I would run it at 60 to 70mg myself.
With you on this one, I don't know why people go overboard and say "you have to run it with test" the drug was produced to be run without it, if people do some research on why these drugs were created in the first place, might be better off. Yes if you run it with test you might have better gains but then again a person might not be looking to gain a bunch of water weight, take an AI risk getting test flu and using needles and all the other things associated with stacking it with test like high BPH, high BP and elevated e2 and let's not forget Gyno to top it off. Var is very safe and taking with a liver anti oxidant like NAC makes it even safer.
I ran var by itself many times and am just fine and better for it, sometimes i didnt want to run test and I needed a var pick me up, it worked, kept mostly everything gained muscle, loss fat, increased hardness, helped with joints, ran with hcg, then mild pct and back in business. Its a perfect steroid in my opinion.
Var can be safely run alone and that's the truth
Let's take a wiki glance:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxandrolone
And steroid.com: http://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php
Last edited by Phased; 10-09-2012 at 11:27 PM.
Missing the point I was making. I recommended using test at some degree, because to the very nature of what anavar is, it is most likely to cause some supression. Now I have recommend the use alone in the past becasue a suppression is better than a shutdown, but I am also taking into consideration that the guy who bumper the thread is afraid of needles and it would be bad practice for anyone to recommend an oral only cycle to anyone who is new. Supression can cause the same signsas low T because theoretically, that is what supression is. I would hate to be on a compound that I might gain 5 lbs on but feel like hell. KNow what I mean? I think for anyones first cycle, they should experience better gains and overall a better feeling of well being. Var without test made me feel like crap and gave me horrible sides. Should I recommend doing something that I know for myself was a bad idea? Hell no. But then again, I am not a knowledgeable member and cant flame mere associate or new members can I? So run var alone and report bad when your are awake for 3 days straight and sweating/hot flashes and night terrors. Take all the advice of the guys in red, not the guys in gray. Good job.
Honestly I didn't even read your post so none of what I said was directed at you, blue green yellow red grey colors do not matter to me. I'm only going off how I feel and run with var and the good results I had. Sometimes in the past I just didn't want to worry about Gyno, BP, BPH, this that and the other then take all the meds to counteract the effects of test. Yes test is great with var, bottom line. Can it be run alone and still have good results...yes. Sorry you had bad results without it, everyone is different. Some people can't use test, others can, some people respond well to one thing and not to another. Some people don't want to use test for personal reasons others do.
Before taking any advice from anyone research, read, learn listen then decide.
Best.
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